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In Reply to: Re: Picture of the week posted by Rod M on April 24, 2000 at 14:23:56:
***That was some picture, Victor. And today, I was reading the conspiracy theories in the paper, the one where the government is brain washing him in secret and releasing touched up pictures as part of the PR campaign. What a botched up mess! This whole issue has been nothing but political from day 1. If any other kid was being held against the wishes of the father, the police would have been there that afternoon taking the kid away.I see your point. However, we ROUTINELY take children from their parents when we have reason to be concerned about their wellbeing - let us not forget this.
***Reno's legacy, Waco and Elian, and Clinton's? Naw, we dont need to go there.
No. Not without full armor plus chemical suit.
***BTW: Have you seen Jakob the Liar? You might enjoy it. Robin William's continues to impress me as having tremendous talent. It's the story of the plight of a community of Polish Jews trying to survive in their German created ghetto and maintain their hope and sanity. I felt it was reasonably realistic and avoided (almost entirely), the typical Hollywood ending.
My wife is too sensitive to the concentration camps/ghetto subject, so I would not feel comfortable forcing that on her. I guess my chances of seeing that movie are not too great. So I will have to take your word for it. I suspect that might affect my view of Williams unfairly - I see him as quite capable of something he had not done yet. I have not seen him in any roles that required tremendous depth of character study, and perhaps that one could be one of them. But I certainly do not put him in the same category as most Hollywood clowns - the Fords, the Costners, the Leonardos. He is one intelligent individual. Unfortunately many good actors never get the roles they deserve. Let's hope the fate will be more kind to Robin.
NT
...when it came out. To large degree has lost its relevancy since then, but I remember our rather strong reaction to it back then.There was another very funny one few years back, I think it was caled "Window to Paris" or something close. It was definitely worth watching - see if you can get it if yo have not seen it. Lots of ethnical inside humor plus general human themes.
> > I see your point. However, we ROUTINELY take children from their parents when we have reason to be concerned about their wellbeing - let us not forget this.Ah yes, we do not generally take chidren from women unless they are in jail. Father's are rarely awarded custody. We probably should take more children away as there are certainly more than enough good folks that want to adopt. Tough issue, but is living in Cuba enough to deny custody?
On Robin, try Patch Adams. He does deserve the right role IMO.
And yes, we CAN decide what is right and wrong. Things would be different had his father ANY say in all this. He doesn't.Also, an interesting stastics as read by Dr. Laura. Women are four times more likely to kill their children than men. Among about 1200 children killed, 900 were by women.
About 600 biological mothers killed their children, as opposed to about 30 or so biological fathers.
Numbers are from my memory, I am sure they are off some, but not much.
True, I'd feel the same if my ex had tried to take my kids to Russia.Honestly, Victor, I think that the father just has to eventually pull the asylum card. Has he got his family with him?
But I saw something on TV (I know realiable statistics there), but while ball players bail in a heart beat, Cuban musicians seem to want to stay. I don't get that.
Juan really cannot safely play the asylum card because his new wife was required to leave her young son (from her first marriage) back in Cuba. Juan also has his parents and other close relatives who would be made to pay the price should Juan decide to stay in the USA. Also, how forgiving and understanding do you think Castro is going to be to Elian if Elian returns to Cuba and says something negative about Cuba or Castro? Publically it will be "the poor child was brainwashed while in the USA", privately there will be hell to pay. In fact, there is hell to pay on a good day!
Thanks Pat, I figured Castro had to be holding someone ransom.
***Honestly, Victor, I think that the father just has to eventually pull the asylum card. Has he got his family with him?
There is no speak of a chance for him. You remember, he didn't travel here like a *normal* human being, he was brought on a charter US-owned private jet, put in the armored limo right away, and sped away to the closed Cuban compound. With Cuban security personnel around him full time there is no chance, and he knows it.It is impossible for a free individual to comprehand the limitations that people in totalitarian countries live under. You can't even imagine what people had to go through to travel abroad, even to the super-communist countries like Bulgaria or ah, Cuba. You would have to go through humiliation hell and you would not go unless you were leaving hostages behind - your close family. People were screened and then screened, and then you would still have defectors. Most of them had to plan their escape for months - it was not just walking across some line.
Imagine that father running to a cop and asking for asylum? Why, our brave government would turn him back in a heart beat - in the best interest of his child, I am sure.
No, not gonna happen, no escape.
***But I saw something on TV (I know realiable statistics there), but while ball players bail in a heart beat, Cuban musicians seem to want to stay. I don't get that.
I can't speak for Cuban musicians, but in many American Symphony orchestras Russian names are the norm (much like in the hockey teams). However, that market is small and the supply is large. Most musicians don't make all that much, with only few exceptions. I have no idea how good the Cuban musicians are, but I am sure the competition is stiff.
There was a joke at one time regarding the Russian immigrants to Israel: If a man is getting off the Moscow plane in Tel Aviv, and he has no violin case with him, that means he is a pianist.
Great majority of them had to find some other occupation.
Sure, it's impossible for anyone here to fully understand what it takes to escape from these countries. But my Assyrian friend has told me about escaping from Iraq at 16 and leaving his parents and family behind. And there was a Chek partner of mine that did the same without his family, so I thnk I have some glimpse of how bad it must be to make these decisions and take such great risks.There's no doubt that we agree on one point: the incompentency and lack of guts in the Clinton administration is astounding. Even if Juan did make a plea for asylum, Clinton wouldn't stand up to Castro. The man has no principles and no morals.
Russian immigrants? Our housekeeper was a college instructor in Moscow. She isn't going back and she'll do any work she can get. It's sad to see those skills wasted, but she's far happier doing whatever she can here than the alternative there. Her parents tell her that it's gotten worse than ever, but I'm sure you know that.
Q: How much does a college instructor makes in Moscow today?A: In the $20 to $40 per month range.
That is what our cleaning lady makes for about 90 minutes of blowing dust around.
And she doesn't give one rusty f..., either. For about two months the bag was missing from the vacuum cleaner. She would still dutifully run it over the floor - as long as it left the proper brush marks on the carpet it was allright in her mind. As they say in high end: garbage in - garbage out.
lol, I didn't know that Alexandria did your house too ;)
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> > > > but while ball players bail in a heart beat, Cuban musicians seem to want to stay. I don't get that.What's to get?
It's all $$$$$$$$$$
The tighter the oligarchy a regime, the greater the funding for classical arts. It was true & is true.
How much are baseball payers paid in both countries?
I've got a Chinese friend who believes that the communists are liberating Tibet because of their funding influx, as if one could put a price on one's soul. He demissed the Tibetan country because it was religous. So, ours based on Christian principles, what's the point? That Budist principles are irrelavant.
He still didn't get it when I said that according to his logic we must invade China because we could infuse for money to the populus. To do otherwise would be unethical according to you. I couldn't go any further because I don't understand what flaws he found in my logic. He just muttered something about I'm wrong & walked away.
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