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In Reply to: Fahrenheit 9/11: the growing critical consensus... posted by Audiophilander on June 17, 2004 at 16:34:22:
and by its definition points out his strong and weak points.He is emotional, illogical, devoid of history but has put his finger on a pulse of resistance to current policy that has considerable resonance.
We have had numerous polemiscists in the US, starting with Thomas Paine. There have been other polemiscists in film (Costa-Gavras comes to mind). Though they are not exclusively revolutionary or zealots they are most often that. And in the late 20th/early 21st century they are predominantly left of center and liberal humanists. Moore, to his credit, is working class populist as well. I frankly think he was at his most convincing and accurate in "Roger and Me", but then I had met and dealt (slightly) with Roger. I thought Moore was too kind.
Nevertheless, all polemicism has a weakness, and that is seeking to destroy a flawed but functioning organism with an idealistic one that has never functioned. It also shades the truth, ignores oposing points of view and is masterful at presenting literal truth is such a way that it is an essential lie. Moore lies within that tradition and deserves notice.
As a believer that knowledge should inform understanding rather than misunderstanding I dislike polemiscists. And that includes Paine, Lenin, Goebels and Moore. But I have respect for the change they can effect. And, Lord knows, I pay attention to what they are saying.
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If Moore is all that, what does that make of bush, cheney, rice, rumsfeld? what about "journalists" like oreilly?
At least Moore is not dangerous and he is humoristic. That cannot be said about the ones mentioned above!:)
Hopefully, they are not reading this... I might end up on a leash.
Costa- Gravas a bore. But never the less a conscience.
Good post.
I do not find "Z" a bore. I find "Z" realistic. Having been one of the few contributors to this group old enough to have heard Hanah Arendt; her comment about evil is stunningly profound. The most staggering thing about evil is that it is so banal and so ordinary. A film that makes it special and extraordinary is untrue.Having met people who survived Idi-Amin in Uganda (Obote II was worse, actually) and having been in Uganda, Angola, Kenya, India and witnessed the Shell House shootings of the Zulus the comment rings so true it is shattering.
The spelling I know and found would seem to be Costa-Gavras rather than Costa-Gravas. Have you a reference I should look up?
Absolutely. Costa-Gavras. Realistic maybe mostly, but for me still boring. I just do not like this kind of cinema-verite.
If devil would not be banal, nobody would be evilish except the mad. The routine is the key word here.
Well, if I do not like them, it not saying they should not exists, on the contrary I respect them. Just not my cup of tea.
I find that C-G.'s films (the ones I've liked) are character driven and compelling on a personal level. If I liked his people, then the films left me with lasting impressions. I really liked "Missing." Have you seen that? With Lemmon and Spacek, it's a heck of a film, though much different in style than "Z." (I admit to admiring "Z.". When Montand's character is assassinated, I was powerfully affected. And to see all the bad guys getting their "just desserts" from Trintignant (the prosecuter) during the interview montage, I want to cheer. ) I find C-G's range as a film maker to be rather broad. Certainly nice to have a forum to discuss interesting films. Thanks.
Yes I have seen " Missing " still I do not likle his style...And you are fully right about the character driving of his players.
It is just a matter of taste as C-Gavras belong certainly to the better directors. Maybe I should gave them a second look...So to know better why I donītīlike them, or for changing my mind....
Oh yes!! Good place to learn a lot more on movies. Our love.
Thanks too.
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