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No doubt ( for me ) a good film. Reminding me a little to the Silence of the lambs, even if only vaguely, because of the way this film has been cut. It has some length, but a very clever scenario, and very well played. It is also a political film BUT without the classical moral, much better than 21 Gramms.
Good show.
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...then we quit laughing as the realization set in that the film's producers already had our money! :o(AuPh
In Europe it has been a very hightly seen film. And got very good critics.http://movies2.nytimes.com/mem/movies/review.html?title1=Mystic River (Movie)&title2=Mystic River (Movie)&reviewer=A. O. Scott&v_id=282915
I now want to see 21 grams based on the other feedback (esp. tinear). MR was predictable in all aspects except for the identity of the killer. It was very obvious to me that Tim Robbins would get killed among many other glaring predictable spots of the film. Not bad, but definately not great. I especially found the last ten minutes too ".... and here's what happens to all of them later". The end should have been just Penn walking down the street drunk (to me).
But the entire film is extremely faithful to the book and that scene is in the book. It makes it clear that Bacon knows the truth and that he will eventually nail Penn.
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Actually he walk drunk the road and that was the end. What version did I or did you see?
After his walk down the road there was a parade down their street. Kevin Bacon was with his wife and baby (the whole wife thing I thought also not needed), Sean Penn came out and Kevin did a silent finger and thumb gun at Penn and looked at him saying "yeah, I won't say anything".... bla bla bla, the whole scene I thought rediculous. Maybe this was only on DVD? Did you see it in the theatre?
There were definately parts of the movie that were very good, overall I thought it over-rated however. And it was very predictable as I said before which somewhat ruined it for me.
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The scene was in the book and shows that Bacon is on to Penn and will eventually get him.
That is what I have understand.
Kevin will arreste him and Penn if you do " cīest la vie "
It almost seemed to me that a slightly different effect is intended in the film ending, as compared to the book's. The feeling that I got (because of other elements in the film) was perhaps that Bacon was certainly communicating a certain kind of morbid "knowing", based on a shared experience. Perhaps Bacon had also felt relieved of something... and assured of something else. Bacon knew that Robbins' personality had been so destroyed in childhood that he, in essence, had been little more than the walking dead... the curtain had essentially been pulled down since that day. Perhaps Bacon felt that fate had dealt poor old Robbins a favor of sorts? Or, that the ongoing processes of revenge being displayed throughout were really the best efforts of thwarted souls to win something back again? It's all a little confusing, but a good film, IMO.
w/o reading the book before seeing the movie, Kevin's finger gun seemed pretty cheesy.........
At first I tought too " the whole thing not needed " like you did but even not very good it has an intend, the one to let the message " friendship ".
In fact Kevin says nothing. But sometimes you can hear " nothing "
One more thing, this film had a poetic quality too, not very great but still there.
On DVD.
But in the end we agree even with different reasons...Not a bad film.
only considers the quality of Penn's performance.
When Ben Del Toro is also considered...
Naomi does a credible job, too, so far superior to Robbins' wife or the inexplicably cold LL (Sean's wife) (Robbins and Bacon I found much better than Penn's over the top effort).
I found the sense of dread in "21" was one of the most intense feelings I've ever felt in film, and it was sustained for a long period (the revenge piece felt added on and detracted).
That being said, the scene in which Penn races to the park and finally realizes its his daughter and begins to scream, "Is that my daughter in there?" is one of the most compelling in film history.
One last point: the two brothers in Mystic were terrible actors!
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I found 21 Grams pretentious, Mystic was more honest, and a good solid work. None of them will be on my favourit list.
had a long history with Robbins...but none of that seemed relevant in that last, long scene of murder. The two brothers just seemed to detract from what should have been THE opportunity for the two principal characters to interact. Instead, Penn just goes ballistic, nothing memorable is said, the scene goes on too long with no tension, no DRAMA. The solution of the crime, as well, is a "gotcha:" the viewer has no chance to figure it out because we aren't given enough information. That alone cripples a "whodunit." So, it fails as a psychological examination of guilt, vengeance, and cycles of violence. It could have been so much more.
21 works because it is much more "personal." Penn has a relationship which is breaking up; the director takes time to make his relationship with Naomi Watts develop. When the climax approaches, it means something (though I'd have been happier if the hokey revenge thing was left out).
I hope in your post you're not implying that in movies such as these you can have an excellent result with less than excellent acting? Unless you're talking about action films, acting is THE KEY.
Who is Penn? I could cite you a pleiade of critics all over Europe who did like this film...And I think it touch something of a nerve in the present American society, but not so brutally and commercially like some other Columbine.
But who am I to defend a film I lke but barely loved?
And I remember the first time you wrote about this film you said you like it too, and did hesitate between which one, at a point was the better. If I remember well...
How many films did I see with exellent acting and what a bad picture came out of it.
That was THE point.
But I will ever be forgiven with you as you brought Rissi in my life again, even if I am looking since years and years at his " Le Parfum des Femmes. " ( He he ))
NOW that was something.PS: And I must tell you it is very tiring for me to be " enclosed " in a language of which can only express the basic needs...
This is a very good film but contains an excellent performance---he should have received 2 Oscars.
RE: your English. If you wish to respond to any of my posts in French, please feel free to do so. I have adequate reading comprehension---but my written and spoken is tres basic.
I admire your courage for participating in these forums in another language!
Very good music.
I bought the CD back then.
As for the film it was a good political exercise, but too much of it and too brutal and tensefor my soul...More of a documentary...
Merci, but I want ( still ) to improve my English. Event if " ennuyant avec le temps " to be enchained.....
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Only redeeming quality was Tim Robbin's performance...
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It is a disguised ( more or less ) bio of john Huston life and if you love this man, you will love the film.
I have the film and have aways enjoyed the depiction of the stars of "The African Queen" as well as Eastwood's Huston-like cadence and demeanor.
A little of a macho film, but we like it, is it not! The boxing scene ( after the racistic incident ) is my prefered.
Better than 21 grams....yes, I would agree. But political, well I don't know about that. And comparing it to Silence of the Lambs....geeez...I don't see it that way...even vaguely. I thought it was just very good acting with a fairly good script. The awards that it got were appropriate.Really, 21 grams was not a bad movie either.
Be sure to catch "Io non ho paura" if you have not already seen it. Very good, very tense, good acting and very enjoyable.
http://journals.aol.com/rosepacatte/MyMovies/entries/336
Yes political. The way Fritz Langīs 1936 " The fury " was. It is about self justice.
As for comparing it to the Silence...I said the way some scenes are cut, particulary at the beginning of the film, after that it get more static in a theatrical way.
21 Gramms, just pretend to be something it was not, just the way Matrix part one did. ( and on this one I was bluffed...)
Thank you for this recommendation. I will try to get it.
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