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In Reply to: Mystic River posted by patrickU on June 28, 2004 at 14:31:34:
only considers the quality of Penn's performance.
When Ben Del Toro is also considered...
Naomi does a credible job, too, so far superior to Robbins' wife or the inexplicably cold LL (Sean's wife) (Robbins and Bacon I found much better than Penn's over the top effort).
I found the sense of dread in "21" was one of the most intense feelings I've ever felt in film, and it was sustained for a long period (the revenge piece felt added on and detracted).
That being said, the scene in which Penn races to the park and finally realizes its his daughter and begins to scream, "Is that my daughter in there?" is one of the most compelling in film history.
One last point: the two brothers in Mystic were terrible actors!
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I found 21 Grams pretentious, Mystic was more honest, and a good solid work. None of them will be on my favourit list.
had a long history with Robbins...but none of that seemed relevant in that last, long scene of murder. The two brothers just seemed to detract from what should have been THE opportunity for the two principal characters to interact. Instead, Penn just goes ballistic, nothing memorable is said, the scene goes on too long with no tension, no DRAMA. The solution of the crime, as well, is a "gotcha:" the viewer has no chance to figure it out because we aren't given enough information. That alone cripples a "whodunit." So, it fails as a psychological examination of guilt, vengeance, and cycles of violence. It could have been so much more.
21 works because it is much more "personal." Penn has a relationship which is breaking up; the director takes time to make his relationship with Naomi Watts develop. When the climax approaches, it means something (though I'd have been happier if the hokey revenge thing was left out).
I hope in your post you're not implying that in movies such as these you can have an excellent result with less than excellent acting? Unless you're talking about action films, acting is THE KEY.
Who is Penn? I could cite you a pleiade of critics all over Europe who did like this film...And I think it touch something of a nerve in the present American society, but not so brutally and commercially like some other Columbine.
But who am I to defend a film I lke but barely loved?
And I remember the first time you wrote about this film you said you like it too, and did hesitate between which one, at a point was the better. If I remember well...
How many films did I see with exellent acting and what a bad picture came out of it.
That was THE point.
But I will ever be forgiven with you as you brought Rissi in my life again, even if I am looking since years and years at his " Le Parfum des Femmes. " ( He he ))
NOW that was something.PS: And I must tell you it is very tiring for me to be " enclosed " in a language of which can only express the basic needs...
This is a very good film but contains an excellent performance---he should have received 2 Oscars.
RE: your English. If you wish to respond to any of my posts in French, please feel free to do so. I have adequate reading comprehension---but my written and spoken is tres basic.
I admire your courage for participating in these forums in another language!
Very good music.
I bought the CD back then.
As for the film it was a good political exercise, but too much of it and too brutal and tensefor my soul...More of a documentary...
Merci, but I want ( still ) to improve my English. Event if " ennuyant avec le temps " to be enchained.....
Patrick
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