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In Reply to: Re: " this country is going to go so far to the right you won't even recognize it!" posted by Tom Pain on April 26, 2000 at 12:00:30:
I think they all should be outlawed. No need to bash a perfectly good mass murderer. God knows, some day we might need him.
Can you honestly compare Castro to Stalin or Hitler? What kind of political baggage are you carrying into this? All governments are evil. It's inherent. You want Genocide? Talk to the Sioux or the Cherokee. Or was that somehow less evil?
***Can you honestly compare Castro to Stalin or Hitler?Perhaps you know something about him that we don't - then share it with us. Until that time - the answer is "yes". Absolute scale is of little importance.
***What kind of political baggage are you carrying into this?
It is generally called experience and knowledge. Plus information. Something wrong with that?
***All governments are evil.
Are you seriously promoting Anarchy? I do not subscribe to that theory. Your thesis is cynical and could use a lot of help.
***It's inherent.Perhaps it seems so to you, but I do not see much justification for that broad statement.
***You want Genocide?No.
***Talk to the Sioux or the Cherokee. Or was that somehow less evil?
I fail to see how one murder makes another one less grave.
None of your statements so far makes Castro less mass murderer than he is. But maybe I do not understand your sense of scale. Maybe you feel one should go over 10 million to earn that name, I don't know.
why you chose Cuba to single out for your screed. Got a bad cotraband cigar? Or something that just rankles your White Russian soul?
I know the raid to get the boy disturbed your insomniac film fest
but what were the other options. Why didnt those good law abiding relatives just turn the boy over. Its not like he was going to be sent to a death camp. He was just going to his father, who I assume, just happens to be a red. What should have been a purely personal issue was turned into a political one, being cashed in on by pundits on both sides. Once again if the situation somehow involved the mainland Chinese would it have been as big an issue politicaly, or in the media? Do the Chinese have less of a record of mass murder? Mao might have been the heavy weight champ. Why is there a embargo against Cuba, while trade with China is encouraged. How about your incisive political analysis of the Tianamen square incident?
***why you chose Cuba to single out for your screed.As I mentioned before, I speak about something that touches me. This one did. What is wrong with that? It WAS one significant event.
***Got a bad cotraband cigar? Or something that just rankles your White Russian soul?Why White Russian (no idea what you mean here)? As opposed to Red Russian? Black Russian? Russian blue from cold with red nose?
***I know the raid to get the boy disturbed your insomniac film fest
but what were the other options.Why, following the law, of course. Do what court decides. I see nothing wrong with that one.
***Why didnt those good law abiding relatives just turn the boy over. Its not like he was going to be sent to a death camp.Perhaps he was. Any Cuban might be. Cuba is not some country where law means anything.
***He was just going to his father, who I assume, just happens to be a red. What should have been a purely personal issue was turned into a political one, being cashed in on by pundits on both sides.
There is element of this, but while the relatives played it passively and had NO POWER of violating court decision, the Reno's troops did just that.
***Once again if the situation somehow involved the mainland Chinese would it have been as big an issue politicaly, or in the media?I guess you would have to come up with that particular issue and then we would see.
***Do the Chinese have less of a record of mass murder? Mao might have been the heavy weight champ.Chinese are among the leaders in human rights violations. But they also contribute heavily to certain political compaigns. Perhaps this is the reason.
***Why is there a embargo against Cuba, while trade with China is encouraged. How about your incisive political analysis of the Tianamen square incident?
Both countries should be dealt with harshly. They both have tremendous records of human rights vilations. I see no inconsistency here at all. In fact, this administration's treatment of communist human rights vilators have been extremely consistent across the board.
They even play with Asad and Quadafy. What could be more cynical than this?
Tom wants our "inherently evil" government to have "absolute power" & somehow that would magicly make them "good". This "Pain" isn't a relative of "Thomas Paine"©1776. No "Common Sense" to be found.
" Tom wants our "inherently evil" government to have " absolute power" "
Gee, Mart where in any of my statements do you garner this kernal of wisdom? How can the advocate of ANY government "system" take any moral high ground on this. According to VK's "reasoning" the murder of one is the same as the murder of millions. Perhaps this is so, ethically speaking. What government is not guilty? But killing one is not the same as destroying a culture or a way of life thru genocide. So what criteria do we use when we pick a target for a political rant.
Personal prefrerence, " experience+knowledge", current Media exposure? All of the above? So where are the posts attacking China in Tibet, Britain in N. Ireland, U.S. in Cetral/South America,etc,etc. Personal politcal philosophy will be the ultimate arbiter I guess. Some crimes will loom larger depending on which system commits them. And which system we personally prefer.
so, you're NOT saying that our government didn't have the right to kidnap the child away from where the mother wanted him to reside?I agree!!!
***According to VK's "reasoning" the murder of one is the same as the murder of millions.That is a gross oversimplification, of course. There are other factors to consider, as is always done by courts.
***Perhaps this is so, ethically speaking.
To many, any death sentence is murder, to others it is justice. There is room for interpretation in some cases.
***What government is not guilty?
Of what? Of "final solution"? Of gross misconduct? Of stealing an apple?
What human being is not guilty? Some and not all are, however, considered murderers.
***But killing one is not the same as destroying a culture or a way of life thru genocide.
No argument here.
***So what criteria do we use when we pick a target for a political rant.
Personal prefrerence, " experience+knowledge", current Media exposure?All ARE legitimate reasons. Irish will naturally talk about one crime, Jews about another. I see nothing wrong with that.
***All of the above?Yes.
***So where are the posts attacking China in Tibet, Britain in N. Ireland, U.S. in Cetral/South America,etc,etc. Personal politcal philosophy will be the ultimate arbiter I guess. Some crimes will loom larger depending on which system commits them. And which system we personally prefer.
You have as much right to bring up subjects of those crimes as anyone else. You shouldn't, however, use the fact that someone had not addressed your favorite issue as sign of insincerity.
Write about it, cite the facts, scream if needed. It is all in your hands.
I shall scream about those crimes that touch me most. Please feel free to do the same.
> > I shall scream about those crimes that touch me most. Please feel free to do the same. < <Fine. Great, even. It's our duty to scream. But let's do it in the appropriate forum, please.
... for I see no other forum here more appropriate for such a dialog. Or, are these people supposed to be shielded from the truth by sending the controversy to entirely different site?I'm sorry, I see no other option.
just my 2¢
» Mart £ «
Of course I'm not saying that. Please explain to me how you can read such a thing from my post.
Thank you.joe
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