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...not in order of preferance.....the absolute TOP 20:
Bridge on the river kwai (d.D.Lean/1957)
Citizen Kane (d.O.welles/1941)
Dr. Strangelove (d.S.Kubrick/1964)
Gone with the wind (d.V.Flemming/1938)
The right stuff (d.P.Kaufman/1983)
2001:a space odessey (d.S.Kubrick/1968)
Ran (d.A.Kurosawa/1985)
Pulp Fiction (d.Q.Tarentino/1994)
Saving private Ryan (d.S.Speilberg/1997)
Treasure of Sierra Madre (d.J.Houston/1948)
The Godfather (d.F.Coppola/1972)
On the waterfront (d.E.Kazan/1954)
The French connection (d.W.Friedkin/1971)
Unforgiven (d.C.Eastwood/1992)
The boat(das boot) (d.W.peterson/1982)
Prizzi's honor (d.J.Houston/1985)
Forrest Gump (d.R.Zemckis/1994)
The good the bad & ugly (d.S.Leone/1968)
The Exorcist (d.W.Freidkin/1973)
Nosferatu (d.W.Herzog/1978)
Follow Ups:
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...the chinese movie "To Live" or "Lifetimes" as one that really should be on this list.Amazing that not everyone is going to agree on these movies! :)
Cetaele (aka Bob)
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Among the Yimou Zhang's films this is definitely not my favorite... it is too long, tedious, loses its momentum eary on and just keeps on dragging.I can understand its attraction for the Western viewer - as it gives you a glimps of life under the communists, but I don't think it is a great film.
If I had to pick just one of his films that would be Ju Dou.
Tarkovsky films, I thought you'd be insensitive to this!
Forest Gump ?!
Orpheus's.
"Black Orpheus" and plain ol' "Orpheus."
Why is it that Brasilian film gets no respect (Ok, it was a French director, but most actors, the location, the music, etc. was Brasilian) (bracing for Pat's attack...)?
No one here ever mentions "O Cangaceiro," even though most world film critics place it very highly.
I might add that "Central Station," is one of the best movies of the past 10 years.
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Calling the Central Station one of the best movies of the past 10 years is a BIG stretch, I think. It was a warm lovable humane tearjerker, but I would not put it in that prestige category.
"400 Blows"?
Actually, the film's ultimate message was one of redemption: the woman sacrificed to help the boy, remember? (Central Station)
The story, btw, is much happier than the reality. Every day, thousands (maybe 100s of thousands) of homeless kids cover the streets of Sao Paulo and Rio. Kids as young as 4-yrs. old who have been snorting glue for a year, preyed upon by sex tourists and local monsters.
Yeah, Central Station should have been a knee-slapping comedy of laughs!
What stupid response... is it in any way related to what I said?You sure you didn't confuse lovable with laughable?
films, such as "Wild Strawberries," or..."Schindler's List."
What does that prove?
I supplied two films similar in theme to "Central Station." Two films which are considered "classics." "Central Station" is just as powerful an indictment of society as those films. You do understand they were more than just stories about boys, right?
BTW, do you appreciate any Brasilian films?
(I'm sure you know many critics have placed 3 or 4 of them on their best ever lists.)
You didn't answer the question about where did the stupid line about laughs come from.Yes, both of those films are good, but not truly special. Both fail on the sentimental side - not such a big deal, just a fact. When I said humane, I presume it was clear I appreciated them. Just would not consider them among the ten best... no way.
You seem to be forgetting there are about forty years between them and the Thief. Just like someone painting in Flemish manner would seem dated, so do film makers who fail to push the envelop.
So - that laughing question... still waiting.
I do not know about the critic's lists, as I don't read those.
Film in the last ten year...The political & social message must make you blind Tin!
Out of curiousity...What are the nine others....
"City of God," American Beauty," "Run, Lola, Run," "Breaking the Waves," "Fargo," "Pulp Fiction", "The Sweet Hereafter," "Happiness," "Hoop Dreams," "Se7en."
American Beauty with that " sticky " actor? Terrible film, at first I thought maybe good, but approching the end...hum..and at the second view...I made it only for the first 20 minutes or so.
I would say that they belong to the best 100 films of the last ten years, but now do not ask me what are the others 90--( hehe )
No such things as Faithless, Beau Travail and others? Lola has no place next to them, really.American Beauty? Wow...
Don't believe I've heard of Faithless or B T. I'm assuming they're "foreign?"
Well, there is no accounting for taste, but, anyhow, A B was a brilliant contemporary skewering of American society: marriage; work; parental relationships; inter-generational sex; drugs; militarism. It starred two actors---both giving excellent performance---who are our two best mature male actors: Chris Cooper and Kevin Spacey.
So it was only the best US films...You should have been more precise....and called them the " ten not so worst "....Hehe...
One is not foreign to Patrick, the other - to Max Von Sydow. Tricky thing, that "foreign" label.Anyway, try to get them, you will not regret.
You are right about the tastes, but I can't say enough bad things about the Beauty... so I will abstain. Even Kevin wasn't enoyable in it.
Actually saw "Black Orpheus" in the cinema. There have to be some advantages to age.
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But he is sneaky - I had to look twice to find it, he made it sound like he liked other movies more.
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that amazes me is the absence of "To Kill a Mockingbird" which is on almost every major list I know of (including mine). Any reasons come to mind, do you think!
To be fair, I realize that your list is probably composed of personal faves, but allow me to toss out other possibilities heedless of the fact that some folks in this crowd will probably behave like one of Spielberg's mechanical sharks from Jaws on autopilot:Beauty and the Beast (d. Cocteau/46)
Sunrise (d. Murnau/28)
Faust (d. Murnau/27)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (d. Dreyer/28)
Metropolis (d. Lang/27)
M (d. Lang/31)
Greed (d. Von Stroheim/24)
Shanghei Express (d. Von Sternberg/32)
The Gold Rush (d. Chaplin/25)
City Lights (d. Chaplin/31)
Modern Times (d. Chaplin/36)
Steamboat Bill, Jr. (a. Keaton/27)
The Cameraman (a. Keaton/28)
Safety Last (a. Lloyd/23)
The Freshman (a. Lloyd/25)
The Kid Brother (a. Lloyd/27)
Fantasia (p. Disney/40)
High Noon (p. Kramer/52)
Casablanca (d. Curtiz/43)
Cyrano de Bergerac (d. Kramer/50)
Lord of The Rings (trilogy/d. Jackson/2000-2003)
The Wild Bunch (d. Peckinpaw/69)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (d. Wise/50)
Dreams (d. Kurosawa/90)
Freaks (d. Browning/30)
The Sixth Sense (d. Shyamalan/98)
Unbreakable (d. Shyamalan/2000)
The Crowd (d. Vidor/28)
A Clockwork Orange (d. Kubrick/70)
AI-Artificial Intelligence (d. Spielberg/2000)
Andromeda Strain (d. Wise/71)
The Abyss (d. Cameron/88)
Blade Runner (d. Scott/81)
The Third Man (d. Reed/49)
Touch of Evil (d. Welles/56)
The Thief of Bagdad (a. Fairbanks/24)Guilty Pleasures & honorable mentions that might crop up among my personal favorites from time to time:
Starship Troopers (d. Verhooven/97)
Jurassic Park & sequels (p. Spielberg 91-97)
The Thing (d. Carpenter/84)
MIB (d. Sonenfeld/97)
Jason and the Argonauts (Harryhausen/63)
King Kong (O'Brian/33)
The Wizard of Oz (d. Flemming/39)
The Adventures of Robin Hood (Warner Bros./38)
The Adventures of Robin Hood (a. Fairbanks/24)
My Best Girl (a. Pickford/28)Of those previously mentioned on your "Best Films" list I would also be inclined toward adding to my own:
Citizen Kane (d. Welles/41) ...Yes!
Das Boot (d. Peterson/82) ...exc. film & mini-series, but which cut?
Dr. Strangelove (d. Kubrick/64) ...important, so yes, but not a fave
The Treasure of Sierra Madre (d. Houston/48) ...exc. film; probably
The Exorcist (d. Friedkin/73) ...groundbreaking, yes, but which cut?Of those I definitely would avoid placing on my list:
Gone With the Wind, ...great guilty pleasure, but empty calories
On the Waterfront, ...great performances, but a "root canal" to watch
Prizzi's Honor, ...well acted, but a forgettable movie
Forrest Gump, ...great performances all around, but a saccharin story
Nosferatu (Herzog), ...you gotta be kidding; the original was better!Of course this is an incomplete list, subjectively gathered and subject to revision from time to time, but it's fairly consistent and reflective of my personal tastes.
AuPh
I would place Keaton's "Sherlock, Jr." and "The General" far above the two you listed.
...but both films are excellent. Sherlock Jr. is undoubtably a marvelous piece of filmwork, technically a masterpiece, but I consider it more of a short than a full length feature, which boils down to a judgement call I guess. The Cameraman, while being the first silent feature Keaton made without full creative control, still contained his influence and all the touches of brilliance of his earlier work; it's also one of the funniest features he EVER made.Here's an anecdotal story which I'll try to paraphrase, based on my recollections from a University level Film History class I took long ago:
After Keaton's brother-in-law and co-producer Joseph M. Schenck convinced him to sell out his holdings to MGM for a theoretically better long-term deal (i.e., which Schenck also profited from handsomely), Keaton ended up fighting with studio heads for creative input and final cut on his films. MGM was rapidly becoming one of the most profitable studios of the era, but it achieved this through the ruthless control of all aspects of production, helmed by Louis B. Mayor and his tight-fisted production staff.
Eventually, with the advent of sound Keaton's influence over his films diminished completely and he was given weraker and weaker material, eventually teaming him with Jimmy Durante, then his demotion from star to supporting character and finally being relegated to a screenwriter or script-doctor, but at least on his first feature with MGM (i.e., the first of his last two silent features) he ended up with a compromise that worked.
The studio wanted him to smile in certain scenes which would have destroyed the "stoneface" character he had carefully nurtured with his viewing public. When the studio's director wanted him to smile in one of the key romantic scenes, he balked, and the decision was made to shoot the scene both ways and then in a pre-release screening gauge the audience reaction. Needless to say, with the director still scratching his head after seeing how the audience reacted to Keaton's perfectly timed dead-pan they decided to leave the scene as Keaton wanted it.
Sorry about rambling on about The Cameraman, but it's a fascinating story which I felt was worth sharing.
Cheers,
AuPh
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My thoughts were directed to providing more options, albeit admittedly based upon subjective tastes as are all opinions expressed through such lists, irrespective of how informed the viewer/film buff.Personally, I doubt that I could come up with an adequate Top 20 list unless it were narrowed to specific areas (i.e., Top 20 SF, Top 20 Silent Films, Top 20 Westerns, Top 20 Mysteries, Top 20 Dramas, Top 20 Animated, etc.) and even then I might have to hedge somewhat dependent upon reflections at the time (i.e., my mood) or whether the films crossed genres.
AuPh
Interesting list. I love just about every film on it. I'm not big on such lists though.
and rotate them as the mood strikes.
...and I mean really great films, on many counts, like "Wild Strawberries" (no Bergman in that list, while "The Seventh Seal", "Persona", ...); "The Dead" ("Prizzi´s Honor is fun, a good film..., but "The Dead" is a true monument); Murnau´s "Nosferatu" is better than Herzog´s; "One, Two, Three", or "Some like it Hot" are among the best humorous films, and "Sunset Boulevard", another masterpiece by Wilder, is at the top of films about the cinema; no Buñuel ("Viridiana", "Tristana"...); no Ford ("Stagecoach", "The Grapes of Wrath", "The Quiet Man", "The Searchers", "The Man who killed Liberty Valance"...); no Hitchcock ("Psycho", "Vertigo"...); No Chaplin ("The Great Dictator", "Modern Times", "The Gold Rush"...); no Griffith ("The Birth of a Nation", "Intolerance"...); no Browning ("Freaks" is pure poetry and tenderness, in an unusual disguise...); no Visconti ("Il Gatopardo", "Grupo di Famiglia in un Interno", "La Caduta degli Dei", "Rocco and his Brothers", "Death in Venice"...); no Fellini ("La Dolce Vita", "La Strada", "Roma", "Amarcord"...); no de Sica ("The Bycicle Thief", "Umberto D", "La Ciocciara"...); no Taviani ("Padre Padrone"); no Pasolini ("Accattone", "Mamma Roma", "The Gospel according to St Matthew", "Teorema"...); no Vigo ("L'Atalante"...); no Dreyer ("The Word", "Dies Irae", "The Passion of Joan of Arc"...); no Eisenstein ("Battleship Potemkin", "Ivan the Terrible", "Alexander Nevski", "October"...); no...The list would be too long. But most of these films are much better than most in that list you´ve posted, and many of them have had such a huge influence on the evolution of filmic language that they should never be forgotten.
Who made that list, and on what merits?
Regards
BF
Maybe too obvious, but in IMHO (for as many movies i've seen), Rublev accidently or deliberatly is THE movie! I've been watching it for last couple of weeks. First whole than each evening in parts. The last "Bell making" is absolutely unsurpased.
You are fully right Bernardo, and I admire your patience...
One word I would still add again and again to emphatise still more the value of " The dead " a film as warm as life can be and in the end as cold as the marmor of death.
me see "The Dead," even though Ms. Huston is one of my least favorite actresses...
It was a critical success but only developed a decent following in home video. I've had the Laser for years.Whether or not one end's up liking the film, it is beautifully directed and acted. As for me, I love it. It makes no attempt to be a great film; just an accurate retelling of Joyce's short story (often called the greatest English short story ever written). And in that it sets for itself an impossible task. No matter. It is exqusitely beautiful and painful.
There are some interesting reviews on the imdb, link below.
nt
I have been waiting seemingly forever for the DVD. I have this on leaserdisc and the aspect ratio is incorrect. I watch this every year at Epiphany. It is more enjoyable each time.
I do mine when winter comes, and the first snow flakes are in the air....
is general over Ireland.
it lay there on the ground, and the fire is burning, and guests pours in...Images full of love, the old sisters, the opera singer, and the end of all of it, the cold hotel, and her love for ever gone in the last outbusrt. And the husband so sorely alone, now. And....
How many more do you need to see one of the best of it kind. Get it. Wait until colder days, cherish it...and ...
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Grins
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They are all good movies but I would take several off my Top 20 list:The Right Stuff
Pulp Fiction
Saving Private Ryan
The French Connection
The Unforgiven
Das Boot
Prizzi's Honor
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
The Exorcist
NosferatuI consider all, with the exception of "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" to be four-star films. To me, "Good, Bad, Ugly" is mediocre and silly.
All the rest of the movies I took off your list has some significant flaws which make them less than classic. Yes, they are far better than most but still lacking greatness.
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