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In Reply to: Michael Moore´s " Fahrenheit 9 / 11---------- posted by patrickU on July 29, 2004 at 13:26:09:
Thanks for your comments, patrickU.I agree that "Farenheit 9/11" is a mess. Michael Moore does not use a rapier, he uses a shotgun and hopes that something will hit something somewhere. The last third of the film is overlong. The finale with the mother from Flint in front of the White House is a bit much. The "pipeline" hypothesis is stretched beyond thinness.
That said, please keep in mind, as other posters have pointed out, that the shots of Iraq before the war, the wounded and dead U.S. soldiers, the other God-blessed troops listening to "Burn down the motherf---ers" while attacking Baghdad, and our President talking about "his base" are not shown on any American television station. Moore had an abundance of amazing material to work with, and perhaps you should be glad he only made one film out of it...and not a trilogy (called, say, "Lord of the..." oh, nevermind!).
For populists and socialists and Democrats and liberals and independents who have not seen a hammer like this used on the Right since the mid 70s, well, allow us our enjoyment of this messy work.
Godard may not care for it, but HE had his period of using sledgehammers instead of rapiers. Anyone up for "British Sounds (See You at Mao)", "Till Victory", "One A(merican) M(ovie)"? I prefer "A bout de souffle" or "Alphaville" or "Week-end" but as Pauline Kael once pointed out, sometimes the artist has no idea how brillantly he is making their ideas and throws away their art and just starts speaking. Moore is not a brillant satirist, he is not an artist. He is a gadfly who makes his rather broad points in whatever medium is available to him: print, TV, movies, etc. Like Lincoln Steffens and Upton Sinclair he makes socialism seem almost gee-whiz Archie! All-American. His use of humor is not used with a surgeon's finesse, but I hope you will allow that broadness is not unknown in producing laughter.
At least you saw the film before delivering your opinion. Here in America we often like to damn things without seeing or hearing or experiencing them! I hope you at least enjoyed your evening out!
When does the next Ludivine Sagnier film open?
Take care and have fun!
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May wish them. Well I think every one knows the horror of war, of course a reminder, a kind of wake up call will not be a bad thing, for those who need it, and I won´t exclude myself.
Allow? With all irony, where am I not too?! I would have respect this film if it would have been well made, as Democracy always need a strong opposition.
I do not like Godard, but I respect him and his work, they are brillant. And the works you are commenting where made long time ago, Mr. Moore just right now.
Absolutely in accord with what I said and what I think of Mr. Moore, so we are of the same opinion, even if our analyse differs as it working range, and even there I am not certain that it really does.
Well, I may think that with age & experience you don´t need to see physically things, you have a certain instinc for not losing your time, but of course to be certain, you should.
As I knew no much on Mr. Moore, I wanted to see it with my own eyes.
I wished I wouls have seen something worse ( for me! ).You mean the one about Mesrine ? The famed French terrorist, it must be now.
The last I saw with her was the very horrible " Napoleon " and before the nice but without consistence " Ma femme est une Actrice " and before " 8 Femmes " who was terribly bad too.
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