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In Reply to: Re: Patrick, I think you might benefit... posted by patrickU on July 29, 2004 at 15:55:01:
"When Bush received the news what should he have done?"He should have gotten off his ass, said sorry to the kids but I have some business to attend to and then find out every thing he could as quickly as he could. Moore illustrates clearly, Bush did not do what he should have done. How sad is it that the average Joe knows better than our President what to do and what not to do in a crisis? That revelation was worth the price of admission for me.
"Stand up and say like Rambo " let´s fight?"
Well that is what he did after he came out of hiding.
"He would have act like a cow-boy.Or begin to cry?"He managed to do both.
" He would have been a coward ! Would he have left the room? He would have not be able to cope with the situation...So no way, Mr. Moore just set HIMSELF in the spotlight. That is cheap."
I'm not really sure what you are saying here.
"What I see, is just a melange of colours in the soldiers fighting in Irak, but that means nothing, can you give me the exact numbers of how many ethnicity and in % are there?"Would it affect your view of the movie?
"What Moore show was so bias that I do not believe him " a priori "."What specifically in the film do you believe is not true?
"The film reveals his biggest ennemy, his ego."It revealed a lot of things one doesn't find on Fox, like real civilian casualties in Iraq amoung other things. Do you think Moore created this on a sound stage or do you think the footage is real?
"PS: I speak of this war and not of Vietnam. Vietnam was a BIG mistake."Eventually most people got that. I think people will eventually mostly conclude the same about this war.
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I think if you are not bored to read, in case you did not, all the posts I send that I told everything I thought of!
What can I add? The rest is just supposition, it would be even more subjective.But let me say some point again.
Mr. Bush could have done ANYTHING but it would always had been in a " no-no " situation. with people who hates or dislike him.
I think that Mr. Moore is the star of his show. He must have a big ego.
Which part? BUT all was true!!! BUT what was not was his way of manipulate things and facts.
Look at the camera...the ridiculous music, the slow motion...the.....Of course hating the Bush´s make you blind.
Of course the footage were real! Everybody knows that there is no war without horrors.
But now less than before because of the better weapons, and of course I do not need to add that ervery death is one too much ( or must I ? )
But did Mr. Moore showed the SH gazed Kurds? Or SH sons horrors? Or? Or?
No, mr. Moore took only what he needed.
And that is not honest.
And the film is a very bad one, his only strenght is its controversies.So, now you see I did not hold my words and wrote really more that I wanted to do...
Patrick
"I think if you are not bored to read, in case you did not, all the posts I send that I told everything I thought of!"I've read them but unfortunately they tend to not deal with the subatance of the movie.
"What can I add?"critism based on substance rather than bias.
"The rest is just supposition, it would be even more subjective.
But let me say some point again.""Mr. Bush could have done ANYTHING but it would always had been in a " no-no "situation."
That is simply wrong. Only a few rfringe left wingers would have objected to him doing the obvuious, that being excusing himself from the students and then gatehring all the information he could as quickly as he could.
"I think that Mr. Moore is the star of his show. He must have a big ego."
"Which part? BUT all was true!!! BUT what was not was his way of manipulate things and facts.
Look at the camera...the ridiculous music, the slow motion...the.....Of course hating the Bush´s make you blind." It was the facts that were telling. His style simply added satire.
"Of course the footage were real! Everybody knows that there is no war without horrors."Tell that to Fox.
"But now less than before because of the better weapons, and of course I do not need to add that ervery death is one too much ( or must I ? )
But did Mr. Moore showed the SH gazed Kurds? Or SH sons horrors? Or? Or?" He didn't show any unrelated vicims of war.
"No, mr. Moore took only what he needed.
And that is not honest."It is not dishonestto argue a point without arguing thje counterpoint.
"And the film is a very bad one, his only strenght is its controversies."I disagree. It isn't his best film but it is far from bad.
So, now you see I did not hold my words and wrote really more that I wanted to do...
Patrick
So we agree, as they say, to disagree.
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