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In Reply to: Wonderland posted by albee33 on July 30, 2004 at 12:02:16:
I haven't seen Wonderland but I would agree with your comments on Val. I think he was great as Jim Morrison in the Doors movie, but other than that he's pretty much eye candy 4 the ladies........Oh yeah, Kilmer was also pretty good in Heat, although Al Pacino was doing his yelling schtick & making it was tough to focus on anything else :-)
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Obviously you haven't seen Val in Top Secret, possibly the greatest comedy of all time. Next to Mr. Mom, of course.
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The scene with him and DeNiro, is a GREAT scene. If Pacino had been toned down, it would have been astounding. But the bulging eyes bit put a damper on it. Imagine how if the director had tamped Pacino, how great the scene at Long Beach Harbor could have been. When Pacino figures out the "plan".
Much the same as the Hopper/Walken confrontation in True Romance. I felt Pacino played the coffee scene well according to the character he had already set. Unlike De Niro, Pacino is an old style leading man. You hire him to be himself and no one else. De Niro is a chameleon and can be nearly anyone.
Heat was the first DVD that I bought and I watched it 3 or 4 times. I still really enjoy it. I think that was the first time that Pacino's yelling-style became really noticeable (to me.) Actually its kinda at its milder stage in Heat - I think he has somehow managed to ramp it up in other roles since then! I also love that Walker/Hopper scene in True Romance. (Where they "discuss" the Moores and the Eggplants.) Seems that this scene was a dry run for Walker's great scene in Pulp Fic where he is telling the kid about his old man's watch hiding skills.
and,of course, I have the dvd. The movie made me want to be on DeNiro's crew. He was a fine criminal and human being.
Each time I see it, i keep hoping Pacino takes the bullet.
I think that's the line. One of the best scenes in movies, along with the coffee shop scene.
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