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• Do you ever pick your nose? - Victor Khomenko 06:28:45 07/31/04 (2)
  In Reply to: one point.... posted by Cetaele on July 30, 2004 at 22:57:06:

  Clean your other places? If so, then a movie could be made of you showing you in a not so pleasant light.

  A public figure always offers wealth of video material, some flattering, some otherwise.

  The most beautiful woman in the world could be shown ugly and unpleasant... as mags like Srar have done for ages.

  So it is not the material, it is what the movie maker does with that material.

  One could cut and paste phrases and bits from speeches of ANY figure to make it fit ANY agenda he wants, so it is not abotu material, it is about what is done with it.

  Like all of us, Bush could be presented as a warm, smart, caring person (I believe he is such person) but selecting his videos.

  Obviously Moore had a different objective, and one doesn't need Einstein's brain to understand how easy it is to build a satire.

  That many fall for it is a great disappointment. But then - no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of American public.

  Certainly Moore did not go broke.
  

  
  
  
  

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  • All primates pick their nose... - Cetaele 07:30:58 07/31/04 (1)
    In Reply to: Do you ever pick your nose? posted by Victor Khomenko on July 31, 2004 at 06:28:45:

    You are right, Victor, that anyone can be made to look bad by selective editing. However, in this case, one merely has to look at just about any footage of Bush speaking spontaneously--not just the snippets in the movie. The broad image thus created is not a flattering one in term of his linguisitic ability, and muddled linguistic abilities in one's native language is also a often a reflection of one's cognitive abilities.

    I cannot adequately judge whether Bush is a warm, caring person--but his intellectual inabilities seem blatently obvious to me.

    That being said, I know that this topic, and discussion thereof, is not going resolve the polemics--we'll simply have to respect each other's opinions and disagree, and move on to the next movie. :)
    Cetaele (aka Bob)
    
    

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    • Fair enough - Victor Khomenko 07:42:27 07/31/04 (0)
      In Reply to: All primates pick their nose... posted by Cetaele on July 31, 2004 at 07:30:58:

      I will absolutely agree that Bush is not a good spontaneous speaker - no argument there, and I wish he was better in that area.

      But whether this correlates to the ability to make right decisions - that is not a given. I know a couple of people - quite bright - who are lousy public speakers. In addition I know I am very prone to stage fright, but I would not consider myself dumb and unable to think logically... how's that for nasty jokes invitation?

      Bush is not free of problems, but that is not what the election is supposed to be about... it is about the guy with more right fundamental approach. His conservative one is more right in my view, even if he faulters sometimes... that's all.

      
      

      
      
      
      

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• Very good points, Bob. And well stated, too. (nt) - orejones 02:39:14 07/31/04 (0)
  In Reply to: one point.... posted by Cetaele on July 30, 2004 at 22:57:06:

  
  
  

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• Style over substance. - Vedric 00:55:05 07/31/04 (5)
  In Reply to: one point.... posted by Cetaele on July 30, 2004 at 22:57:06:

  Talk about shallow..
  
  

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  • It was a clear, well-written post, going straight to the bone. Could it go any deeper? - orejones 02:30:08 07/31/04 (0)
    In Reply to: Style over substance. posted by Vedric on July 31, 2004 at 00:55:05:

    Certainly not, when the subject under comment is GW Bush.

    Regards

    BF
    
    

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  • Re: What style? - patrickU 00:57:22 07/31/04 (3)
    In Reply to: Style over substance. posted by Vedric on July 31, 2004 at 00:55:05:

    A primitive collage. Badly cut.
    
    

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    • Not the film - Vedric 01:23:40 07/31/04 (2)
      In Reply to: Re: What style? posted by patrickU on July 31, 2004 at 00:57:22:

      I was referring to the above comments about the Presidents public speaking ability. Some people value style over substance which is a rather shallow view, especially when looking through a filter like this film.

      You're correct about the film being a collage. However I would say "cut with a purpose", not "badly cut."
      
      

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      • not mutually exclusive - Cetaele 07:41:27 07/31/04 (0)
        In Reply to: Not the film posted by Vedric on July 31, 2004 at 01:23:40:

        Hi Vedric,

        not sure I understand the exact intent of your post, but I would say that, sometimes (certainly not always), style and substance go hand in hand. I find Bush's public speaking (and any other type of speaking I've heard of him), even when reading, lacking in both--simplistic in content, perception, and linguistic ability. But this is just MY opinion, and a large proportion of people will certainly disagree with me.
        Cetaele (aka Bob)
        
        

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      • Re: No technically badly cut also. Look at David lean for good cutting, as an example. nt - patrickU 04:02:21 07/31/04 (0)
        In Reply to: Not the film posted by Vedric on July 31, 2004 at 01:23:40:

        nt
        
        

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• Re: one point.... - patrickU 00:45:47 07/31/04 (6)
  In Reply to: one point.... posted by Cetaele on July 30, 2004 at 22:57:06:

  If " he " would be that stupid, he would not have made to be the " alpha " of America.
  Or do you think he is the " puppet " of the oil industry?
  That would be, indeed, black and white.

  Patrick
  
  

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  • alpha... - Cetaele 07:36:21 07/31/04 (1)
    In Reply to: Re: one point.... posted by patrickU on July 31, 2004 at 00:45:47:

    Hi Patrick,

    primates become alpha males for a variety of reasons, but often it involves coalitions and alliances, and I would maintain that this is certainly the case for presidential elections. The true test of an alpha animal's success is the duration he (usually) spends at the top of the hierarchy. As such, only time will tell whether Bush has been a successful alpha. Unlike other primates, Bush has been guaranteed 4 years at the top--whether he stays there or not will be determined in the next election.

    Is Bush a puppet of the oil industry? I don't know. I was only commenting on his cognitive abilities as I perceive them. I do believe Bush has benefitted greatly because of his alliances and because of his family name. Not an unusual thing at all--same could be said for many of the Kennedys.

    And as I said to Victor, I think we're probably not going to convince each other one way or the other, so we'll have to agree to disagree, and move on.
    Cetaele (aka Bob)
    
    

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    • Re: alpha... - patrickU 12:56:58 07/31/04 (0)
      In Reply to: alpha... posted by Cetaele on July 31, 2004 at 07:36:21:

      One more word Bob, what you write is true, but also true for every one! Not only for your president!
      Patrick
      
      

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  • Sorry Patrick, but Mr. Bush has no more shades than those you can project on him. - orejones 02:37:07 07/31/04 (3)
    In Reply to: Re: one point.... posted by patrickU on July 31, 2004 at 00:45:47:

    Yes, he is that simple: a spoiled brat who never grew into a true man; a Puer Aeternus, who will grow straight into a cynic Senex. And these people are extremely dangerous to everybody.

    Daddy and his buddies bought him the ticket to the WH. And yes, they used oil money for that.

    Regards

    BF
    
    

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    • Re: Don´t tell me you did find this film to be a good one... - patrickU 04:06:28 07/31/04 (2)
      In Reply to: Sorry Patrick, but Mr. Bush has no more shades than those you can project on him. posted by orejones on July 31, 2004 at 02:37:07:

      It is this epic we are talking about, not Mr. Bush.

      PS: If we were talking about him I would say that a president is as good as his administration is. That apply for all modern time presidents. More or less.
      
      

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      • No, I haven´t seen the film yet: that´s why I am not talking about it... - orejones 04:41:15 07/31/04 (1)
        In Reply to: Re: Don´t tell me you did find this film to be a good one... posted by patrickU on July 31, 2004 at 04:06:28:

        But I have seen how Mr. Bush has misbehaved: that´s why I was talking about him.

        Regards

        BF
        
        

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        • Re: That is what I tought.... - patrickU 04:50:18 07/31/04 (0)
          In Reply to: No, I haven´t seen the film yet: that´s why I am not talking about it... posted by orejones on July 31, 2004 at 04:41:15:

          Let us know your views when you have seen it.
          
          

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