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In Reply to: "Heat" and "Ronin" posted by rico on September 20, 2004 at 02:54:24:

in "Ronin" De Niro was a good guy posing as a bad guy, not really a bad guy.
And DeNiro truly bonds with Pacino (the "good guy") in "Heat".
But your points are quite well taken. Frankenheimer does indeed get the "feel" of his locations but overall "Heat" is the more satisfying film to me.

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Re: Pitt - rico 05:46:53 09/20/04 (9)
But wouldn't you say that De Niro's closer bond is with Bthe Brad Pitt character, the one he breaks his 30 second rule over?
- Re: Pitt - I am a bit confused, do you mean Kilmer, perchance? - Auricle 10:42:10 09/20/04 (8)
  Pitt was in neither movie that I recall nor according to the IMDB.
  The character you refer to seems to be Kilmer's character in "Heat". If so you have a point, but that relationship was "father and son", not combatants on the battlefield who actually come to like and admire each other. The image of Pacino holding De Niro's hand as he dies is quite aomething.
  Even so, De Niro invests a great deal of energy in Kilmer's character.
  It is gratifying that Michael Mann is finally getting recognition from critics. I frankly think his movie "Theif" with James Caan was before its time and quite influential. Even Tuesday Weld ain't bad.
  If I have missed something, please inform!
  Cheers
  - Re: Sorry - rico 12:50:12 09/20/04 (1)
    I always get those blond handsome guys mixed up. My apologies.
    - Agh, mon! All us handsome blonde guys . . . - Auricle 14:32:13 09/20/04 (0)
      look alike. Of course my hair is more white than blonde, now. And the last time I was as ripped as Brad in "Fight Club" or "Troy" was, er . . . uh . . .
      Never mind!
      (Sigh!)
  - 'Thief' ............Now your talking.......... - kanesays 11:45:50 09/20/04 (5)
    If you enjoyed 'Heat' then I think that Michael Mann's 'Thief' is required viewing. The soundtrack by Tangerine Dream is outstanding and way ahead of it's time. A great, smart heist film.
    - Also... - michael w 19:21:15 09/20/04 (0)
      ...a little seen TV movie by Mann called LA Takedown, which was the roughcut for Heat.
    - Was the score . . . - Auricle 14:35:07 09/20/04 (3)
      the first "synthetic" score in a major film release? I think it was but I stand to be corrected.
      I really like that film and I had the good fortune to see it in the theatre in its initial release. It caused quite a reaction in the audience. I do not know if it has made DVD yet, but I own the laser . . . quite nice!
      Cheers for now!
      - Re: Was the score . . . - rico 06:18:18 09/21/04 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Was the score . . . posted by Auricle on September 20, 2004 at 14:35:07:
        
        If by synthetic you mean using only electronic "instruments" the "Forbidden Planet" was the first.
        
        Re: Was the score . . . - AudioHead 12:56:50 09/21/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Was the score . . . posted by rico on September 21, 2004 at 06:18:18:
        
        Plan on revising and reposting my review of "Forbidden Planet" hopefully
        in near future, procrastination has ruled so far. ~AH
        
        Thanks, Rico! -nt- - Auricle 12:37:40 09/21/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Was the score . . . posted by rico on September 21, 2004 at 06:18:18:

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