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Well, Farenhype was made very well. But it became shameless propaganda, instead of a documentary by the following shady practices:(1) It basically basheds Michael Moore, as a person, not the factual assertions of his movie. "Ad Hominem" should be the name of the click.
(2) It only interviewed right wing people. No one middle of the road, except Dick Morris.
(3) I have never seen a more bogus practice than the narrator being the expert whose opinion is consulted! Ron Silver, who, living near the scene of 911 might not be the most impartial person.
(4) Too many Jews! Sorry, people, I said that for shock value! BTW, I am Jewish so do not take that the wrong way. But asking Jews "Should we have gotten rid of Saddam?" carries the risk that they have a vested interest, i.e., it is best for Israel; (but not necessarily for the US), which WE DO! Ask some Baptist in Pascagoula MS, if he worries about Saddam.
(5) It uses the "tu quoque fallacy"; that if it can point to toheres who made the same mistake as Bush, then bush did not make a mistake. Flailing by one very bitter Ron Silver and Dick Morris, at Bill Clinton. They show how Soros also has connections to the Carlyle Group, like that would erase Bush's. The "tu quoque" fallacy of logical argument.
In its defense, IT DID allege some FACTUAL errors in 911 (Yes, what I have been asking for!)! Bush did not have the kid's book upside down, is the teacher's claim (big deal; and no photos\proof).
The scarieist cen is when Bush addresses the press right after the 911 incident, adn cannot make a speech. he can only read from cards where someone has written a speech for him. He has nothing to say; other than what some unseeen hand has written for him to say. He can't evn read it well, he can't sellhis line. It is bizarre! NOTHING to say after 911. Nothing comes from his heart? That should chill anyone's bones.
After being told of 911, Bush sat for 5 minutes not 7, guy claims to ahve tape (but that tape is not shown, or Michale Moore's contrary tape explained.).
Bush was not frozen with fear, he was calmly planning the next move(Very unlikely, why he not had his chief of staff in on this mental planning session).
The Saudis did not fly out during the air clampdown, and they had good reason to leave, being afraid of staying. (They showed some dates, I do not know who is right, but they did show it was Clarke who OK'd it, not bush. Doesn't explain why the Bin Laden's were given preferential treatments. There are no other criminals family w gave plane rides out of the country to).
Bush's Brain.-Good, slow moving, but definitely NO SMOKING GUN. I believe the film maker's theories are right, that Rove is the evil genius behind all these terrible acts. But did this movie prove it? Far from it. It speculated; I think they are right, but no proof. Really, nothing even close to proof. I wish...
More facts, and better film making in "Hype" I am sorry to say. Hey, their team has more money.
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...under a microscope, right?
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...because it was assigned as homework in my daughter's freshman Catholic High School World History class. Although I am a Kerry supporter and intensely dislike Bush and the things he's done, I was surprised that this film was assigned, at least without something showing the other side's views. I asked my daughter what she was supposed to get out of it and her response was that it was an example of a political viewpoint. We spent a lot of time during the movie discussing "propaganda" and how facts can be used and sometimes distorted to show a particular viewpoint. While I saw nothing new in the film, it certainly does paint W. as a puppet/moron.
want my kids being assigned it as homework. That is over the line.
There are many reasons why this film can be taught in school - but you need to knwo what the teahcer has in mind - a topic around pop politics pop history versus textual analysis. What are the pros and cons of history and politics from film and televisions versus academic texts.Just giving this to watch and write something on to me is irrisponsible teaching - but if there is a bbigger point - it can be great. Lots of issues around propaganda here as well. And though I happen to agree with Moore in principle and it boggles my mind that Bush will likely get re-elected people are entitled to their opinion - no matter how stupid THEIR opinion is. :-)
a filter. They can read history of 911, the history of the Saudis and Bush, whatever. But Moore's film is both a documentary and propaganda. All documentary films are, some to a greater degree. I don't want their teacher deciding what poltical views my kids should have. That's my job (not).I can let them watch F911 at home. Anyway, I am saying the same thing here twice, so...
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It's so nice you talked through the movie. What an unbiased view of the film! Did you do the same for the audio components you reviewed?
Well he is a puppet - didn't you see all that wiring on his back during the debate - There's only so many facial expressions and phrases "Axis of evil" "weapons of Mass destruction" "Saddam is a dictator"The teacher should have another side to combat Moore. Does not need to be another film but some other piece from the right. Moore's film is not a documentary iot is more of a mocumentary with facts. Facts are often interpretive.
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It is, you know. That's what freedom does, it marches. Great metaphor, especially as something to marshal against facts."This war has cost us 120 billion dollars, the lives of 1140 American soldiers, and credibility in the world community."
"FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!"
"Did you hear that, darling? The president is talking about freedom marching again."
"He's got my vote!"
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... nick-named the Coultergeist (apologies to Tobe Hooper & Steven Spielberg).
I don't think he really gets what is going on - He hears the voice of God telling him what to do. Sorry but Western ideals cannot nor should the be rammed down the throats of other nations - many don't want it.The west is a Cold civilization in which to live compared to many other countries where they are deemed "Less Free." This is just easy to sell to the voters.
Frankly in one way I'd like to see Bush get in - my Canadian Dollar is better against the US dollar than it has been in over 10 years - because despite the Bush rhetoric your economy is taking a dump. Maybe if you guys can get into one quadrillion dollars in deficit the Republicans won;t always say the democrats are responsible for the bad economy - it was in a downturn when Clinton left yadda yadda and it's cyclical yadda yadda - funny ghow the cycle works.
Let Bush figure out the mess he made - kind of unfair to dump it on Kerry.
Some of us got fed up with posting Outside because of the party-line bickering. I would request that we allow the film forum to remain just that.
In Vino Veritas
I'm in that club and I agree with you...just hard to resist sometimes!
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