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In Reply to: Well it finally happened...i saw Kill Bill and KB II posted by Jazz Inmate on November 08, 2004 at 14:50:33:
I think these movies are for movie people...in other words someone who has seen all the Japanese Samuri movies, those really bad Hong Kong marital arts movies, Spagetti Westerns, etc. Kill Bill follows the patterns of these movies & has many references to them (e.g., the old guy with the white beard, a staple of every marital arts movie).So, no Kill Bill is not for people who just want to "watch a movie."
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I'm familiar with some Japanese Samarai movies, as well as the old Shaw brothers movies and spagetti westerns etc., so when I heard that these movies were a tribute to them, I had my hopes up. Unfortunately, they weren't really a tribute to them as much as a *characature* of them. QT only took the *worst* aspects (bad dialog etc.)of the genres and put them in KB.
I was greatly disapointed.
Jack
That's Tarentino's problem - he gets a great idea and then runs it into the ground until its no fun any more. Kill Bill coulda been one 90 minute movie, and a damn fine one at that, had Tarentino the discipline to quit while he's ahead.But I do so love Uma Thurman. She's about as good as it gets!
Her feet betrays her.
I get the references. I'm a movie buff, if not a total martial arts fanatic.But all I could think about, catching KBI & II in theaters, was: "what a waste of talent."
I admire the execution of KB, but man, it has to be the weakest QT script in a long time. Can Tarantino quit wanking himself and make the really good movie so many people think he's capable of? I sure don't know, but KB wasn't it. After Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and (especially) Jackie Brown, I thought maybe he was gonna do something special.
I'm OK with genre movies, pulp, noir, chop-saki et al. But I'm still waitin' for QT to justify all the praise heaped upon his balding head. Can he make amovie for grown-ups? I wish he'd try.
Ok, I agree that it is not as good as previous attempts, but I still got a laugh out of KB...especially the old guy with the beard!
I'll agree with you there.QT has real movie chops. The execution in KB was occassionally brilliant. I just wish all that money and energy had been expended on something more...substantial. I have movie friends that *LOVE* KB - that's OK. But I was a pretty frustrated watching 4+ hours of these movies. Dammit...I want more!
What is it with movie directors that refuse to grow up?
Yes, he shirked every opportunity to write meaningful dialogue, develop a character non-gratuitous reasons, or use special effects to further the story. It was all like a child saying "looky what I can do" with my cast, my crew and my red-dyed corn syrup.Even the scene in question, which I admit on its own merits was entertaining, showed a man playing make-believe doting father and loving husband. I couldn't get past my impatience as a viewer who had to sit through four plus hours of horrendous crap. I just wished we could watch bill die and see the credits roll. So he cut the crust off the sandwich for his daughter and he cared what the truth was coming from Kiddo (of course he had to shoot her with a dart containing something more powerful than sodium pentathol to trust she wouldn't lie). BFD. By that point, the characters were so shallow and repulsive I just wanted it to end.
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