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In Reply to: "King Kong" posted by rico on December 2, 2004 at 13:36:23:
Rico,I admire Jackson for what he did with LOTR (even if I did find them boring), but some films should never be remade.
King Kong is most certainly one of them.
KK is one of those really innovative films that transcends time. I saw it when I was 5-6 and it scared the crap out of me. 2 years later, I was dragged to see the pathetic remake and I laughed through it. How could one not laugh at such a piece of shit.
If Jackson wanted to do us a favor, he would spend the money cleaning up the original print, especially the sound which sounds iffy on my Criterion LD, and help relaunch it for the generations of moviegoers who never saw it.
I'd be first in line to see that.
Jack Black as the heavy. Well, he got it sorta right.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
Follow Ups:
Spielberg remake of same is coming in summer 2005. I saw the trlr
yesterday.Steve
The Mozart Forum
Here is a web link from which another link will lead you to the two trailers of the non-Spielberg British filmed version of H. G. Wells' classic.Enjoy,
AuPh
Tosh,That brings us to an interesting question I'd like to hear opinions on: Do you feel scarred in any way having had the crap scared out of you back then? This is in particular reference to the contemporary cultural mores which holds that no child should be exposed to anything scary at all in general, and in the movies and stories they are exposed to in particular. Would really like to hear what your ( and anybody else's) opinion is on this.
PCL
after seeing "Jaws", the answer would be no.I am a PADI certified diver and have gone nose-to-nose with undersea creatures and have zero fear anymore.
King Kong was scary (to a five year-old) because who the hell would want to be stomped on by a enormous gorilla.
I am a HUGE horror fan (have at least 150 films from this genre) and I look forward to the day that I am stuck on the roof of a shopping mall armed with a .50 Barrett, Amanda Peet, some dim sum, and a parking lot filled with flesh-eating zombies.
Granted, my first marriage was ten times worse than any horror film. TeeHee.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
Remember Fay on the boat to Africa?
THAT was erotic, oh boy!
The Critrion laserdisc is bested by a later LD released by Image, which transferred a pristine 35 mm print found in 1988 in Switzerland. This print has the excised portions intact in 35 mm.Warner Brothers is at work on a complete restoration of KK, to be released on DVD when completed.
While I agree with your sentiments I think Jackson will do a good job. He is maintaining the 1933 time frame and even having the actors speak in dialog typical of that era in movies.
I fully agree with Tosh! Do we really need another copy of a masterpiece? I suppose the kids will go to see it, after all it will be a Jackson film.
We will see.
Well yes the kids may go see it just like they did the first King Kong. Or do you think that was a sophisticated grown up movie? jackson basically said he wanted to remake it becuase he feels the current generation of kids won't get the chance to enjoy it the way the kids did the first time around. By the way Jackson does make movies for people of all ages as well as just for kids.
And no, I'm not talking about Victor's lap! ;^)You just had to stick in some backhanded insult about Peter Jackson alluding to Lord of The Rings and those of us who revere his accomplishment, didn't you? Just because YOU are incapable of appreciating his achievement doesn't mean those films are just for kids, which is what you're implying. Have you ever considered the possibility that perhaps this is YOUR problem? Maybe you just lack the imagination to appreciate epic fantasy.
I'd wager that you're still fuming over Return of The King raking in all of those Academy Awards last Spring, including Best Picture; you're probably still upset over LoTR's worldwide popularity and how much money these films have made. Hollywood lacks your sophisticated tastes, right? Well, allow me to enlighten you one more time about Mssr. Jackson's interpretation of Tolkein's Ring trilogy: No foo-foo French mustard this, just a richly rewarding, imaginative epic for the ages, and by that I also mean ALL ages.
But patrick, please, if you must stomp your sour grapes into whine, do it Outside, where it can be appreciated and responded to more appropriately.
Respectfully (not),
AuPh
Grown-up kid!
Relax, bucky boy. Why don't you change your stuffed shirt, spread a little of that Grey Poupon attitude on some popcorn and go watch a REAL movie once in awhile? ;^)AuPh
I bet!
AuPh,While I can understand why YOU really liked LOTR (I liked parts of it), that still has nothing to do with the original post.
KK should not be remade, just as Stalag 17, Gone with the Wind, Intolerance, Modern Times, Rashomon, Dr. Strangelove, etc...should not be remade.
Why is Hollywood incapable of doing anything ORIGINAL????????
The art of coming up with a story and interesting characters is a dead art in Tinseltown.
As much as I love "Star Wars", I really dislike George Lucas. He's a terrible director, brutal writer, and has no concept of what character development is all about. CGI does not make one a great filmmaker.
Tosh Kurosawa Lubitsch
I can't wait to watch "Hero" on Saturday night.
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
I agree with you that the original is the signature version and probably shouldn't be remade. However, it already HAS been remade and quite badly; perhaps Peter Jackson's version can set the record straight, removing the tarnish placed on the venerable film by the DeLaurintis debauchery while preserving the luster of the original. No one can take away Willis O'Brien's artistry or replace the quaint images from that bygone era with more modernized CGI, but perhaps Mr. Jackson's respect for the material can build a new audience for the classic original.I'm willing to give him the chance, even if folks like patrick want to tear this film down before it's even seen.
AuPh
AuPh,Jack Black, Naomi Watts, and Adrian Brody.
I'm shivering already.
I really dig Jack Black as a comedic actor, but not as CD.
The one bright spot is that there will be bi-planes in Jackson's version and not Huey gunships or F-18s.
How F@^%#&#& bad was the remake...Bridges and Grodin make me so queasy.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
Naomi Watts is a bad actress? Hmmmm. Why would you choose to pidgeonhole Jack Black. It doesn't make sense to decry "Hollywood" mentality and then adopt it.
Loud and crowdy.... I wonder if Jacksonīs " King Kong " will have the humanity you could read in the big ape eyes!
"Loud and crowdy...."Have you read the script?
"I wonder if Jacksonīs " King Kong " will have the humanity you could read in the big ape eyes!"
I'm sure the creature will be vastly superior to the original. There is nowhere to go but up from there. Even the muppets were better than that POS.
Want to bet it will be loud and crowdy? A bottle of champagne?
Define loud and crowdy and explain how the original was neither. We may then have a bet.
I was ready for it.
Loud: ear shattering digital effects .
Crowdy: all synthetic soulless people.The difference?
It should be evident. But in the magnitude of, say, the first Star War and the latest one.Bet?
"I was ready for it."Good.
"Loud: ear shattering digital effects ."How does one determine that? The volume will vary from theater to theater. If you are betting that the sound editing will be digital I would agree. So what? May as well complain that it will be in color too. You will be very hard pressed to find any films that are all analog sound films these days.
"Crowdy: all synthetic soulless people."Interesting. You found the characters to be natural and soulfull in the original?
"The difference?
It should be evident. But in the magnitude of, say, the first Star War and the latest one."Fine example. So the characters simply have to be as natural and soulfull as the original? Who gets to decide?
"Bet?"
Possibly. Not about whether the sound effects editing is digital or analog.
Different languages.
And I am at pain to try to communicate the different world between an intimate film and the big blockbusters of today, or if you want the form over contend.
Still I only PRESUME that it could be that way!
I maybe wrong and we may find a film with a soul, which, of course I seriously doubt!
But the proove has to be seen.PS: When I write " digital " it is more the whole concept that I take to the pilori as segments.
You still didn't answer the question. Who gets to decide whether the remake has more or less natural soulfull characters? If there is a bet there has to be a way to determine who wins the bet. Of course we will still have to iron out just what the bet is over.
Experience, which I do not doubt will not satisfy you! But it should spring to our eyes.
The problem will be inherently between us, hehe...As you certainly did find LOTR a film with qualities I did not.
So as you said, a difficult task.
I answer your question but with a "periphrase"...
Short I see no way to make this bet alive.
But if you find a possibility and some " rule of the game " I am, of course, in. As you maybe.
Experience? Who is that? *Someone* has to make the call if there is going to be any bet. If you wish to suggest a *person* to judge I'll consider your suggestions. Indeed we disagree on LotRs. But you are also at odds with many people with tremendous experience and knowledge in both film and literature. It's OK not to like something that is excellent like LotR and it is OK to like something that is dated and not really very good like the original King Kong. I like them both.
Many people...Hum...I would not hide between ANY people, as I rely on my point of view without been closed minded, I let always a place to misjudgement.
BTW, Bernardo did not like this film too, even we seldom agree on pictures, I must say he is right on this one...Hehe.
And then why would we not take him has a " judge " ?
If you are willing then we may have a bet?PS: And he must be too! ( willing )
Why does Jack Black seem so wrong for this part? In the original, the wise-cracking loudmouth producer (Carl Denham, essayed by Robert Armstrong) was a mixture of determination, energy, annoyance and occasional comic relief; Jack Black not only looks the part, but if reined in could give the performance of his career to date. Naomi Watts also looks the part and her career hasn't been too shaby; can she pull off a believeable Faye Wray type? Who knows, but it it doesn't come across as bad casting on the surface. Adrian Brody "seems" an odd choice for Naomi's romantic lead, and I'm assuming that that is the role in which he has been cast, but his acting credentials aren't bad at all based on the roles he's essayed.The one thing which really stands out to me is that there are no BIG name stars have been cast, and to my way of thinking this hints at Jackson's ability to mold his vision of the period classic unencumbered by stale stereotypical performances where an established STAR (i.e., such as a Mel Gibson or a Nicholas Cage or a Keanu Reeves or a Renee Witherspoon, etc., etc.) gets a huge payday in order to open a film based on name recognition. This bodes well for the film, IMHO.
AuPh
Ah! Lubitsch. I tried quite a few times to speaks about his work, but there are almost no comments...For me one of the best director ever.
He had the Touch.
Patrick,My Mother lent me the above named film and said "not his best, but a good starter film about real love". I was so impressed that I bought another 13 on tape. Aside from Bluebeard's, I really like the following 4.
To Be or Not to Be (1942) - Trouble in Paradise (1932)- The Shop Around the Corner (1940) - Ninotchka (1939)
Lubitsch was a great director...perhaps one of the finest ever.
I may have to watch all 5 of these again.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
Tosh, it was the first role for David Niven ever, and you can see his insecurity! Gary and Claudette wonderful, as the smaller roles, all Lubitsch long time actors.
To Be... is maybe his masterpiece, last role for sweet Carole whose blonde hair was the last to be found from her plane accident.
But there far more, all his films with Chevalier ( Maurice ) and two of my above all beloved films,
" Design for Living " and " Heaven can Wait " both a gift from the Gods.
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