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I know that AMC truly sucks now-a-days. Did Dorian quit cause the show went south?.....or was he fired?
I sure hope he is alive & well.....always liked that dude as a movie host.Another fun host, Monster visions' Joe Bob Briggs.
Pennsylvains will remember: Bill Cardille, host of "Chiller Theater" in the 1970's. George Ramero, a Pittsburgh native, gave Cardille a part as a TV reporter in the B&W classic "Night of the living dead".
Martin Scorcese gave Joe Bob a small part in "Casino". Seems M.S. was a big fan of Monster vision!!
Russ
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now I very seldom watch it. I recently watched some free previews of the Turner classics channel and it reminded me of the old AMC format and films.
Corbu,It seemed that TCM took over that friendly AMC format. Robert Osborne that does the introductions even has a similar low key style to Bob Dorian.
I recommend Turner highly- good choices, the MGM library of course contains some of the best old Amurkan movies, and the prints/transfers are always top drawer. They do sometimes get too involved in theme programming and the result can be a whole day without something very interesting- all Robert Young or the like.
AMC could've been one of the really great channels, but I think TCM "out-classiced" them and AMC fell into the black hole of hysterical advertising.
Cheers,
Bambi B
When AMC began, a friend of mine who was a single mother told me she absolutely loved it, because she could let her little girl watch it all day and night and never see or hear anything "bad", since all they ran were American sound movies from 1934 to approximately 1965, films made under the Hayes Code.AMC's downfall began when Ted Turner started TCM. Many of the films that AMC had shown had been MGM/Warner Bros/RKO films owned by Turner. When he started his own competitive channel, AMC no longer had access to that huge backlog of films. Like dominos falling, that cost them viewers, and then they started running commercials between movies to make up for the viewer shortfall (cable channels charge for each viewer). The real collapse came when they started running commercials during the film. As y'all have pointed out, the commercial breaks come at awful times, are way too long, and way too frequent. It is probably just as well that Bob Dorian is no longer there. AMC is no longer the channel he used to host with such obvious affection. I hope he is doing well. I know from personal experience that it is very very hard to work for a company that is so different from what it was when you started there.
It goes way beyond TCM giving the old AMC competition. Yes, there were certain titles that Turner owned and that would no longer be leased to them.As I understand it, Cablevision now owns or owns a piece of AMC.
Demograpically it was decided to "dumb down" the station and appeal to a younger, less cinema sophisitcated audience with shorter attention spans. People with shorter attention spans actually prefer commercial interruptions.AMC reports viewership is larger than the old format. Scary, huh?
I just wish they'd change their name to something else. "Jaws 2" is hardly an American Movie Classic.
I agree...from top to bottom, AMC has been "dumbed-down" in the worst, lowest-common-denominator way. Despite losing access to the MGM/Warners/RKO and 20th Century Fox libraries, they could have still made a go of it with the Paramount and Columbia libraries. They might even have taken a closer look at independent films made in the late 50s and early-to-mid 60s. But AMC chose to go in a different direction, and we see the results!The idea that AMC's ratings are higher than ever...Jim Aubrey would be proud.
RC,In the beginning, AMC was excellent- really they showed about all black and white American stuff up to the early 60s. The choices were almost always worthwhile and you're right, Bob Dorian was knowledgable, interesting, and amiable in his introductions.
Most importantly, everything was shown commercial free.
But, probably because of the competition form Turner Classics, who had the perfect prints out of the entire MGM library that Turner had bought, AMC went to commercials and whoever was making the schedule displayed a peculiarity that still exists but to a lesser degree.
Then an odd thing happened: AMC began showing only movies in which the principal actors were known to be very conservative politically. Every movie was starring either John Wayne, Charlton Heston, or Peter Graves. All of those fellows made good movies worth watching, but it became rapidly obvious there was this strange agenda at work in everything. It just looked silly when strung together. It was as though Rush Limbaugh suddenly began doing the scheduling.And our friendly uncle Dorian was gone too- without explanation that I ever saw.
And I wouldn't have minded except the commercials that broke everything up for three minutes every nine were also odd choices- Viagra, incontinence, constipation, electric scooters just drove me away completely. It's as though they had a market research and decided they should pursue only: 65+, incontinent, impotent, immobile, NeoCons with an income of $35,000 per year.
Later, they have shown films with liberals, and in colour, but the pharmeceuticals, spleen trusses, laxatives, Clappers, and adult diapers are still putting me off and I haven't watched it in months.
Maybe they know something and show us all and cash in big when baby boomers all reach 80. But until then..
My vague recollection is that Dorian was part of the original ownership, he/they must have sold to the producers that converted it to commercial trying for the $$$,$$$,$$$. I think if he was an employee that was fired, he would have reappeared as a reviewer or host somewhere.
A real pity, as when AMC started, there was something worthwhile to see twice a day. Now, it's depressing, as loud and stupid as any small independent commercial programming could be.
Now, my TV movie watching is all TCM, IFC, and Sundance. AMC is only for the dead and dying as far as I can tell..
Cheers,
Bambi B
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