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In Reply to: Har har har! posted by rhizomatic on March 16, 2005 at 14:26:20:
St. Louis fans really act that way? I have been to Shea, and seen their fans first hand. Sounded like them. Well, I thought St. Louis baseball fans were more civilized. Guess I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up.
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St. Louis fans apparently do have a reputation for being more civil than most. But baseball fans seem distinctly rowdier than fans of other sports, at least judging from the stories that make the news.I was responding more to the sense that you were citing 'New York City' as the default signifier for some sort of snooty East Coast attitude, which you've referred to elsewhere in the thread. My apologies. I'm just deeply tired of these culture war stereotypes. Sure, museum goers might tend to have a dour expression, but that could just be concentration, not self-seriousness. You're telling me you don't know sports fans who take themselves way too seriously?
Putting it into perspective, maybe it's just as much a cliche to characterize baseball fans as drunken louts (I expect there was some sarcasm to your take on museum-goers as well), but when was the last time you heard about a disagreement at an art museum boiling over into overturned cars and vandalism in the streets...? And, just to take issue with your specific example, Pollock is a much better artist when you just look at the paintings and don't take on the solemnity that the broad cliches present as appropriate to his work. You can't see the joy in those paintings? Try again. The problem is admittedly in the bullshit pseudo-intellectual aura that's been imported into the art. I guarantee you abstract paintings like Pollock's or Rothko's are a pure pleasure to look at if you don't go in like you're entering a church and you don't give creedence to the self-important academic nonsense (for the most part) that attaches itself to the work. Ever wonder what the 'meaning' of a baseball game is? No point in doing so with a Pollock painting. All you need to bring to it is a willingness to let yourself get carried away, just like any game...
Let's shake hands. I'll concede that a baseball game is a fine good time (it is), if you'll concede that not all art lovers are neurotic intellectuals who don't know how to smile...one small step towards peace in these United States...
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