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No, not the most intellectual of all film, but one that I cherish when it first came on the screen. Now in his new dvd incarnation even better for film quality and sound.
A story that make us proud.
I just love it.
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of the Magic Jew.
I'm sorry, but imagine if we were bombarded with 20 or so films about the evils that befell and continue to befall black Americans. Quite a few more A-As died in boats coming here than Jews at the hands of the Nazis. Not to diminish the latter, but enough is enough...it ain't healthy. No, no one will forget, already.
rant over
Didn't the 1982 film "Porkys" have a subplot about the prejudice facing a Jew in early 1960s Florida? And it has a "shower sequence", too!Please allow me to follow my silly joke with a more serious note:
While some historians suggest that 10 or even 20 million Africans died during the "Middle Passage," most think the number was closer to 1 or 2 million. That doesn't quite match the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust, but of course, the horrifying point of the "Middle Passage" was not to kill Africans.
tinear,I wrote my previous post waaaay too late in the evening...and titled it "tinear attacks "Porkys"! Please allow me to apologize for the use of your name. I do not mean the joke in the first part of the post as a personal attack on you, or for that matter, anyone else. My silliness would have been far better served had I titled my post "Next, we attack 'Porkys'!"
It is one thing to disagree with a person or have spirited debate with someone. I take a look at "Outside" and am stunned at the viciousness of the posts directed at people on all sides. And what is so strange is how informative and reasonable these same people are on other parts of the asylum! I know you and I disagree here and there on things, but I hope you understand that when I wrote, "tinear attacks 'Porky's'!", I had a smile on my face. Next time I will try to make that clearer with a LOL or :).
Take care and have fun!
This is a true story, first. Then it show us the difficulties one may match as being a Jew in society, and how Mr. Abraham respond to it, but that was also only a small part of this film.
What it does show us is the will and the friendship between this men.
It was BTW produced by an Arab.
He died with P. Diana.The same is of course also true, for Women, of Black, or what else ethnic maybe.
Of course.
the point of my post, i.e. the incredible number of "I was persecuted" Jewish-themed films EVERY YEAR. Enough, already....
Well here we have that amount of poor persecuted Algerian or Marocain or black people from the French ex-colonies.
And rightly so! As racism should have NO place in society. And you know why? Because it is just plainly dumb.
The Jewish are a part of the establisment so the films we see are not about persecution.
But about art or commerce, like all the rest.
"the point of my post, i.e. the incredible number of "I was persecuted" Jewish-themed films EVERY YEAR. Enough, already.... "That was the point? Funny, your post started by calling Chariots of Fire "What ridiculous propaganda, another portrayal of the magical Jew."
Patrick's comments were quite relevant to your mindless rant and dead on to boot. The guy was real, his struggle was real and it was just one part in a multifaceted movie. Maybe you think there should be a quota on the number of movies depicting Jewish people. That wouldn't be facist would it?
And yes you put in the real relation. But the real problem is Tin fundamentally flawed view on the Jew.
It must be a kind of obcession...Am I glad that that he do not have the same view on French films......
is racist and not racial?
You and Scott fail to acknowledge the ridiculous amount of Holocaust related films that are released every year. No, Patrick, it is NOT about Jews in contemporary society I'm talking about.
Someone may posit that it is to keep the Jews thought of as victims as they maul and slaughter the Palestinians, but I wouldn't...
Next up, Patrick and Scott savage a food critic for suggesting traditional Jewish food is inedible and that Maneschevitz is truly terrible wine...
"You and Scott fail to acknowledge the ridiculous amount of Holocaust related films that are released every year."Are you now claiming that Chariots of Fire is a holocaust related movie? I guess history isn't one of your favorite subjects. Chariots of Fire predates the holocaust. Duh. Now to the subject you have chosen to arbitrarily raise since it has NOTHING to do with Chariots of Fire, the movie you attacked because it depicted the real life struggle of one Jew. Unlike you, I feel film makers are free to choose their subject matter and if a number of film makers choose to make films about the holocaust that is thier right as artists and not a problem. There are no quotas on such things as subjects for films and obviously there shouldn't be. Sorry dude but your posts become more and more idiotic and facist each time around. You attacked an excellent film because it included the real life struggle of one Jew. That's pretty damned anti-semitic in my book.
"Next up, Patrick and Scott savage a food critic for suggesting traditional Jewish food is inedible and that Maneschevitz is truly terrible wine..."
Dude, seriously, get a clue. If the movie were bad for artistic reasons that would be one thing. You attacked *because* it depicted the struggle of one Jew. If a food critic attacks anything *because* it is Jewish and not because it tastes bad he or she would be every bit the anti-semite you seem to be.
alien to your powerful cortex.
Yes, the story occurred before the Holocaust but the film didn't. Get it? It was chosen to make a point (I have no doubt you fail to recognize propaganda when it hits you in the teeth so I'll help you).
And...the movie sucked. Kind of an English Patient type of schmaltz-fest. Hey, you like feel good movies, be my guest.
Scott, the 24-karat, guilt-dipped critic.
(And...have you told Virginia how to get in touch with me yet? Be sure to tell her I'm sure to be uglier than her current beau. Be useful, at least...).
"alien to your powerful cortex.
Yes, the story occurred before the Holocaust but the film didn't. Get it?"Yes, I get the fact that your views are so intensely anti-semitic that you think any depiction of any Jew struggling against prejudice in any place or any era is somehow about the holocaust. That's simply idiotic.
" It was chosen to make a point"Bullshit, it was chosen because he was a part of that group of athletes that exceded theier expectations. Get a clue.
" (I have no doubt you fail to recognize propaganda when it hits you in the teeth so I'll help you)."I have no doubt you see propaganda in any movie that depicts any Jew facing any sort of prejudice. That's your problem not mine.
"And...the movie sucked. Kind of an English Patient type of schmaltz-fest. Hey, you like feel good movies, be my guest."
Oh, movies about human triuph are catagorically schmaltzy. dude, really, get a clue.
"Scott, the 24-karat, guilt-dipped critic.
(And...have you told Virginia how to get in touch with me yet? Be sure to tell her I'm sure to be uglier than her current beau. Be useful, at least...)."
No, I see no reason to tell her to more anti-semitic pigs.
A contempory Jewish man.
And not about Holaucost, is it not?
As Scott wrote mildly do you want a quota? Well you must not see any films on this theme if you donīt like too?
Or?
You just have a bias.PS: I ate in London a few times Jewish traditional food...It remains me at the Greek one. Somehow oriental, not my prefered cuisine, but ok.
propagandized.
I have liked many "Jewish" films but I object to a flood of them, especially since NO Arab-themed films are produced by this country.
Garden of the Finze-Continis, Schindler's List, Marathon Man, are excellent, as are many more.
And the save harbor of film critic...
I love the scene in which Sam Mussabini (wonderfully played by Ian Holm), exiled to his hotel room away from the Olympic site because of his (Arab) nationality, reacts as he hears the band play "God Save the Queen" and realizes his protege has won...."Harold...my son..."I bought the new DVD the day it came out-been waiting a long time for a proper release of this one!
Ian Holm is extremely good. But I was not certain through all the years why he could not attend the play, I suppose because he was a professional, you because of his nationality...
Not quite certain...
Harold Abrahams was the first British amateur athelete to engage "professional" training, and this was the reason he was not allowed in the Olympic venue. As I recall, his (partial) Arab ancestry is mentioned in the film-he and Abrahams had the shared bond of the outsider.
It clears thing up!
Curiously the one scene was cut from the US version ( the one with the indoor criket game ) at the very begining.
You find it in the " extras ".
A film that gives me, each time I see it a certain kind of strengh.
That is what it is all about.
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