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In Reply to: Re: "You don't seem to be, so that's fine." Hmm... posted by Christine Tham on March 23, 2005 at 23:20:55:
*** it actually happens that my engineering background is in optics so I'm a finicky customer. (Careful whom you try to put down.) *****and somehow this makes your comments more valid? very amusing.**
Yes, actually, it does. Credit where credit's due, madam.
** i notice you don't know my background either, so you try to be careful.**
Never said I did know; I can only speak for myself, which I did. Is there a problem?
*** Hooboy! Polls have been taken. Great. Um, doesn't that sort of thing rather contradict the sort of detailed concern you clearly have? ***
**Note: "research" is not the same as "polls". and where is the contradiction?**
You alleged that lots of people liked it. That "research" sounds to me pretty much like a "poll".
*** Many houses here, as in Westwood (exhibition capital of the world) are equipped with HPS-4000. Lacking that, many have Kintek. How can you even *hope* to compete with those systems, at home? (Perhaps you haven't heard them?...) ***
**Again, without knowing my background, this is a really funny comment.**
Forgive me for being unable to divine your background. That's no cause to go insulting me.
**Hint: someone who gets invited to film premieres is not likely to be lacking in experience.**
No indeed, but perhaps lacking in capacity would be the explanation. Nor does it escape notice that you avoided a direct answer to a simple question.
**As i've pointed out, it's a lot easier to achieve better results at home for many reasons.**
You made the assertion, yes.
*** DVDs never have droput? Ha! ***
**Actually, no. they shouldn't.**
Alas, they do.
*** As for "Colour degradation", I tend to see films early in their runs, for all the obvious reasons. ***
**So when you said you've "never" experienced colour degradation you are obviously speaking from a wealth of experience and your "engineering background in optics" :-)**
Madam, your sarcasm is becoming tiresome. I assume from the spelling that you're British (or the like), which ipso facto makes you better than me. (Unless you're Canadian.) I understand that. I also take "degradation" to apply to the exhibition print, which sets in usually well after I'm outta there. One can *make* it not a problem by avoiding $2 rerun theatres.
clark
Follow Ups:
*** Yes, actually, it does. Credit where credit's due, madam. ***Forgive me, I did not realise that an "engineering background in optics" suddenly made you an authority on a completely unrelated topic, such as films. Now that I do, I am humbled before your august presence.
*** Nor does it escape notice that you avoided a direct answer to a simple question. ***
Sorry, I was laughing too hard. Did you *really* want an answer? :-) Did you really want me to recite every cinema I've been to around the world (yes, including the good ol' US of A), complete with specs? And once I did, would that have made any difference?
PS: I did enjoy the Return of the King at the Embassy Theatre in Wellington where it was premiered. It was recently restored with the latest and greatest equipment, with Peter's input. But any decent home theatre can do a better job (on the sound, not necessarily picture) - even Peter acknowledges that, and so he should, he's got a killer setup himself. You should hear him go on about little details in the soundtrack that one can only hear at home on the DVD.
*** That's no cause to go insulting me. ***
And I suppose your posts could have made the Dalai Lama proud? :-)
*** No indeed, but perhaps lacking in capacity would be the explanation. ***
Aha, I see: that's your way of "disagree and be pleasant about it y'know".
Thanks for clearing everything up for me.
*** assume from the spelling that you're British (or the like) ***
I'm insulted :-) Hint: Instead of assuming, you could have easily checked with one click of the mouse.
nt
Now we may speak as equals, for I perceive you have a pretty high opinion of yourself. However, I remain baffled:*** Nor does it escape notice that you avoided a direct answer to a simple question. ***
**Sorry, I was laughing too hard.**
Too simple a question for you? "Sorry, I don't do simple questions"?...
**Did you *really* want an answer? :-)**
It's getting rather tiresome asking, so allow me to withdraw it.
**Did you really want me to recite every cinema I've been to around the world (yes, including the good ol' US of A), complete with specs? And once I did, would that have made any difference?**
No, but then, that wasn't the question.
*** That's no cause to go insulting me. ***
**And I suppose your posts could have made the Dalai Lama proud? :-)**
I'd like to think my forbearance is buddhistic.
*** No indeed, but perhaps lacking in capacity would be the explanation. ***
**Aha, I see: that's your way of "disagree and be pleasant about it y'know".**
Madam, when faced with unremitting unpleasantness some of it must rub off. My dharma is not yet perfect.
*** I assume from the spelling that you're British (or the like) ***
**I'm insulted :-) Hint: Instead of assuming, you could have easily checked with one click of the mouse.**
So my assumption was correct.
clark
PS Since you've not seen or heard the best on offer Stateside (or won't admit to it if you have) and since I've not seen or heard what you have done... well... what's more to say?
PPS Oh, this: My optical engineering was in imaging systems, mostly space based. I was inter alia the systems engineer on the Viking Mars Lander Camera, a (of all things) digital optical device; and I even spent some time with American astronauts assessing what they could see in imagery. It's not so irrelevant as you try to make out.
... just returned from our easter vacation where we spent some time at cowra, the site where japanese POWs were interred in WW2, and where the World Peace Bell is located.So, in the spirit of reconciliation, I'll attempt to avoid sarcasm and cheap shots, and answer your questions in as neutral a way as i can.
regarding digital projection: the new 4K digital projectors are just coming onto the market - i would suggest you may like to try these out before forming a definite view. FYI - a lot of post production work on films (such as colour grading) are now done digitally - often at 2K resolution, 4K tends to be reserved for the big budget releases. So the availability of 4K at the theatre means it's "as good as it gets" in terms of resolution - at least for now anyway.
with regards to my "research" which you incorrectly think is based on polling, it's actually based on critical evaluation based on a number of parameters. yes, and they did poll a number of filmmakers as well.
as for your question about "how can i possibility compete ..." with the likes of an HPS-4000: I have definitely experienced an HPS-4000 installation (in the USA - they are very rare outside of USA), so I am speaking from experience. one of the reasons i was laughing was that that would be like asking how can my car possibly compete with a bus? the answer is: well, a bus is designed to carry more passengers, and therefore has more horsepower, but in all the critical aspects (manouevaribility, speed, acceleration, power/weight ratios) any decent car will win over the best bus.
So it is with film soundtracks. Your question is more appropriately framed as: how can an HPS-4000 possibly compete with any decent home theatre, given the constraints of a large venue? the answer is: it can't. the brochure might claim that a typical installation can achieve 112 dB SPL, which is impressive, but this is done using horn drivers, which is not the last word in tonal accuracy. i've already mentioned the freq response issues of a large venue. for critical monitoring, you will note that skywalker sound uses B&W speakers (by coincidence the same brand i use in my home setup).
as for DVD dropouts - the DVD player mechanism includes substantial error correction mechanisms, so it is extremely unlikely to get any dropouts, unless there is a fault in the equipment, or the dropout is present in the original source. by contrast, SDDS encodes information in the area between sprocket holes on the film, which is very susceptible to damage from multiple screenings which leads to dropouts. it's no secret that most theatres with SDDS revert to another format (such as DD or DTS) after a week or so of screening due to dropouts.
finally, if you check my moniker, you will realise i am from sydney, australia (within 10km of the Fox Studios) and i don't have british ancestry. that's why its always dangerous to assume.
as for your background: i have no doubt you are very good at what you do, but it's obvious based on your comments you are not close to the film industry.
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