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In Reply to: Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! posted by Analog Scott on June 27, 2005 at 11:30:03:
You might have a small point here, had I not had plenty of experience with ALL kinds of movies. If you had been keeping an eye on my posts, I do love plenty of different movies, and I only divide all films into two categories - good and bad.Things like Kabuki I don't discard even though I can't relate to them - for I can see the beauty in it, the one I perhaps don't find too captivating myself, but one that is impossible to miss.
Therefore, while I would not attempt to pass any judgement on Kabuki, I can do so on most movies... unless it is something completely outside the norm. I don't think LOTR quite falls into that category.
BTW - the opening post in this thread was - hopefully obviously - written with a major tongue planted firmly in the cheek. That alone is bound to get one in trouble with those not having their muscles relaxed sufficiently, but this is the risk we all take sometimes. This is not, after all, an Ebert page, this is place where we can horse around with jokes and overstatements.
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"You might have a small point here, had I not had plenty of experience with ALL kinds of movies. If you had been keeping an eye on my posts, I do love plenty of different movies, and I only divide all films into two categories - good and bad."
Well maybe I have missed something you have posted. What epic fantasy movies or books for that matter to you feel excel where Lord of the Rings falls short?
"Things like Kabuki I don't discard even though I can't relate to them - for I can see the beauty in it, the one I perhaps don't find too captivating myself, but one that is impossible to miss."
But any number of people will fail to see the beauty in it. Just as any number of people will fail to see the merits of The Lord of the Rings. Are you sure that you are simply not failing to see it's merits? I think your position on Kabuki is a wise one. I don't think that wisdom has served you with your position on Lord of the Rings. Do you really think all those people who have praised this movie and the books upon which they were based are merely idiots on the matter?
"Therefore, while I would not attempt to pass any judgement on Kabuki, I can do so on most movies... unless it is something completely outside the norm. I don't think LOTR quite falls into that category."
It may not fall oustside the norm but it seems that genre falls outside your tastes. But, as you said, I may have missed something you have posted on the genre. So, if the genre as a rule does not fall outside your tastes what epic fantasies do you love and what merits do you see in them that you do not see in Lord of the Rings?
"BTW - the opening post in this thread was - hopefully obviously - written with a major tongue planted firmly in the cheek. That alone is bound to get one in trouble with those not having their muscles relaxed sufficiently, but this is the risk we all take sometimes. This is not, after all, an Ebert page, this is place where we can horse around with jokes and overstatements."
I am aware of the history on film asylum that you and others have with this particular film. I know this is an on going joke with you. No problem there. Also I have no problems with people making claims that one film or another is crap. There are crap films. But I think this film carries far more than enough merit to require such a claim to be well supported. That has yet to be seen from you. You don't like the films, fine. They are kaka? Fine support the claim with some insightful intelegent arguments.
I can't think of any fantasy movie that I like, not off the top of my fead, but this is not because I dislike the genre - it is because I do not recall any well made movie in it.Actually, come to think of it, the Seventh Voyage of Sinbad was nice, albeit for its time.
***Are you sure that you are simply not failing to see it's merits?
Yes, I am quite sure, for whatever it is worth. The movie has, I believe, so many areas in which it faults that it is easy not to like. I don't feel like repeating our old arguments, though, as we have done that more than once already. Anyone interested should be able to find our discussions.
Yes, this has been an ongoing joke. But I honestly already forgot all about it, until that night...
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