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In Reply to: Re: that depends on why you see the film posted by jamesgarvin on July 18, 2005 at 17:38:16:
Sorry I didn't read your exchange with Victor -- he speaks doublespeak and airy fairy stuff with no real content -- just airy stuff like this was good because it spoke the human languange blather blather.Election or Office Space I'm not going to defend to the bitter end -- They were fun laugh at socity and possibly thy self and thy situation you have likely experienced or know of well kind of movies. I think the "kind of" people in Election are "extreme" characatures of students and teachers and people we have gone to school with in any country -- I have been to school in Europe and Australia as well as here in Canada. Office Space is the same kind of deal where the idiot slack ass gets the promotion during the time of lay-offs -- it too is done in an extreme character kind of way. Now some audience memebers may require always "real" vibrant human characters to be able to "go with" a movie.
Neither of the films here remotely attempt to do these things - if you can not accpet what filmmakers are going for in their films then stop watching movies. I go to a horrow movie to jump and have a good time -- not for the acting ability, set design or story. There was a 1980's low budget horror film named Scarecrows with some of the lamest acting I have ever seen, an idiotic plot, and scarecrows killing people. it is one of the best horror films ever made because it created tension and scares -- that is the job of a horror film and it did its job.
Whimsical films like Election and I suppsoe American Beauty are intended to exagerate that with which it is commenting on. American Beauty had so many surface cliche's of suburbia as to be in itself shallow. The tag line of the movie said "look closer" -- if you did you would probably see what they were "really" doing. if you did not "look closer" then you did what most people I know did and walk out of the movie house.
I'm amazed some forumers here seem to hate every movie they see from hollywood that they are STUPID enough to keep watching it. Sorry i don;t like brussel Sprouts I don;t keep ordering plate after plate in the hopes that tomorrow I'm going to like it.
La Grande Illusion is one of the best films I have ever seen --it is in fact in my top ten of all time -- I have Schindler's List ahead of it -- and it is not even close Schindler's list visually is vastly superior in every way, more emotionally wrenching, it is far better acted, has a vastly superior score, is more resonating. There is not a single area of motion picture creation that La Grande Illusion beats Schindler's List. And more people will agree with me than Victor nananananana.
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***La Grande Illusion is one of the best films I have ever seenSounds good, until I recall that just a few months ago you had not seen a single Fellini film and didn't know who he was... so I am just not sure what that "one of the best" means in your case.
that's irrelevant I have seen 81/2 --- All it takes is to see the two movies I mentioned. I rate the film on its merrit not on a PRE-CCONCEIVED expectation of the director. I try to be objective and rate the film on its merrit alone.
Listen, I'll give you two things.One - you can write well. Hopefully with time, as you get more and broader experience, the content will also start making more sense.
Two - I applaud you for making that admission. Most pople would simply dodge the question.
But you are way too quick to judge someone of Fellini's stature based on your assuredly limited familiarity with his work. Fellini is too complex to be judged that way - he is like the life itself. You witnessed one day... there's plenty more to come. His art is broad and multi-faceted.
If someone quite familiar with his work said he disliked him, I would not have much issue with that. But based on one film only? And even that film in the context of still limited experience?
We are not talking about toppling the pre-conceived notions here, as that should ideally be done based on deep understanding.
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