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In Reply to: A very nasty piece of work. When none of the characters has posted by tinear on August 1, 2005 at 06:18:26:
To movies with real, flawed human beings--but in the case of this film, not wholly flawed, as it wasn't at all mysanthropic, as you imply--you prefer, what, John Wayne and Shirley Temple? Are your films of preference from Hollywood's code era? I really don't get your criticism, esp. when stated as a general principle. Would the film have redeemed itself if one of the main characters, to the accompaniment of angelic voices, had a dawning of moral clarity and announced: "Wait! Stop! Key parties are just immoral!" No human traits to admire or respect, fine. I'm not sure anyone would argue that as an aim of this film. It's something of an unabashed "downer," though quite moving, nevertheless. But none to empathize with? You're implying a degree of personal saintliness I've never encountered in anyone ever.
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Since, logically, your response was pretty much a non sequitur.Really. Sincerely. I don't get your criticism. Do you fault Othello for Iago? And your complaint about the film's world view (and then fallaciously--a term from logic, doncha know--attributing it to the director) strikes me as bafflingly hard-hearted and simplistic. Maybe you have more akin to Weaver's character than you care to admit.
original instead of the yellow jacket Cliff notes.
Iago, compared to...ridiculous. Shakespeare's antagonists were multi-faceted human beings with positive as well as negative attributes, with, obviously, the latter outweighting the good. Still, even Hitler loved dogs and that's the problem with most Hollywood charactrerizations: evil has no redeeming parts so that the audience can watch and absolutely have no danger of relating to the "bad guy."
You prefer the slasher mentality wherein bad is bad and good is good. Fine. I doubt you're as dull as you appear and I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt and consider you a guy who enjoys a good argument. Well, you'll have to do much better in the future. I'm responding so others can learn, you're probably so gonzo as to be beyond redemption (why assume false modesty when dealing with a dunderhead?).
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