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In Reply to: Just couple of humble additions... posted by Victor Khomenko on August 23, 1999 at 06:29:20:
Two more:1) Villians can't hit anything even with a full auto machine gun.
2) Heros are accurate at 200 yards with a pistol on a galloping horse.
On #1, case in point: Arnie Swartnegger taking the heavily fortified
island singlehandedly in "Commando"; BTW, he did get wounded during the
scene, possibly a grenade fragment, but of course, nothing so debilitating
as to stop him from achieving his objective. - AH
...played by Gregory Peck and get shot in the back. But of course, they don't make movies like THAT any more. Why? No fun watching real life drama. Teenagers (both young and grown up) don't appreciate complications.
Also played by John Wayne, although he was dying of cancer (in the movie) rather than tired.
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Speaking of rehabilitating gunfighters, I thought "Unforgiven" was pretty good (for a western) in the realism department. The scene where Eastwood hauls out the shotgun 'cause he can't hit the can with his pistol was pretty funny.Tom §.
don't you love it? After riding a horse across Nevada or Texas with nothing but a cotton shirt and a vest, you get to a town and the first thing you want is a "cold beer". So the Bartender does what? Goes to his SubZero refrigerator and pulls out a Bud Lite? And another thing...all that dam whiskey they drink....sheesh!Hey, I'm off the topic again, but just say "The Man who shot Liberty Vallace" again on American Movie Classics. That film is so full of actors we know I spent most of the time trying to place them.
But what I wanted to say...I was reading a history of the West, and the author was telling about a gunfight between Wyatt Earp and one of his deputys. Aparently they were in the saloon drinking all day, and got into an arguement and pulled on each other. They each had a pair of 45's, and emptyed them all from a distance of just a few feet (the saloons aren't really as big as they seem in the movies). Nobody was hit! So they went back to drinking. Now either they were much better shots than we give them credit for, or holding on to a 45 is much harder than it looks.
What I found interesting was the "Regulators", marksmen who were hired to kill the bad guys by ambush from very long range with precision rifles. My pal Marlon Brando played one in a film I can't remember. If I recall, he was a bit "dainty" in this one.
This was the film that was used in my narrative films class as an example of a western. I just knew that Jimmy Stewart couldn't hit the side of a barn from 10 feet. Maybe he was using one of those 45's. (I know that is a spoiler for the movie but it's your own damn fault for reading this post).In most westerns, is it a cliche to have the "tough guy" build his own house out in the middle of nowhere? When I watched "Unforgiven" I noticed this similarity between Hackman's character and Wayne's character in both movies. Seems that John Wayne was a better carpenter though.
Tom §.
now you've got me thinking Tom, if I've ever seen a western where the characters live in town. The only one I can think of is Warren Beatty's...oh,,,what is it...???? You know, the one with the whores and he's not much of a businessman or anything else? Some mining town in the Sierras...geesss. I can't remember anything. I think I'll put the kids to bed and go out and buy a DVD player.Loved the steak scenes in "Liberty Vallance". Did you see the size of those steaks?! and beans. Loved Andy Divine as the sheriff. "How 'bout another one of those steaks? you can skip the beans...!" And that John Wayne was a good drunk too--just like a high school kid.
Since we're on about westerns, have you seen "Nevada Smith", with Steve McQueen and ...the cop from the San Fransisco series with what's his name...you know..."don't leave home without it? What's wrong with my brain...Carl Maulden!
"Yer yella! Ya haven't got the guts! Yer yella...YELLAAAAAA!"
All these western guys come from troubled times. You never hear about a nice man from a happy family who goes west and settles down with a wife and kids on a nice farm...oh wait...Little house on the Prairie!
finding data in my brain is as hard as finding it on my hard drive...I know it's there somewhere, but I forgot the filename.
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