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In Reply to: Re: Watchin' Dr. No last night posted by jamesgarvin on August 11, 2005 at 07:09:54:
In 1987 a movie ticket here in Canada was $2.00 now they are between $9.00-$14.00. I'll compare the same theater I went to then and it's replacement in the same area for $2.00 to $10.00. Inflation aside movie prices have went up FIVE times since 1987. And I seriously doubt that's much different anywhere else in the world -- Take the $160 million and divide by 5 and you're getting closer to the truth.The Brosnan wants out articles is probably not too untrue but I also knwo they want a ounger hipper and CHEAPER actor. The cheaper part is probably way closer to the truth.
The other thing about the big come down in box office could be many fold - unknown Bond yes but also because View was as you note pretty lousy. So people may not want to go to yet another weak effort.
I dislike the whole America success is counted in Dollars -- I'd far rather see number of tickets sold or seats filled than box office take. E.T in the US alone had nearly three times more viewers than the Lord of the Rings in tickets bought even though the film made more money - LOTR was around 47 on the list I read behind films like The Graduate.
Even this doesn't tell all as there are way more people living in the US today than in the 1950's or the 1980s.
Of course you're correct that if Daltons second effort fared worse the execs would blame him - easier than blaming the atrocious Living Daylights script.
Besides people like crap -- Would not suprise me if the Dukes make 100 million. 30 million so far despite the reviews!
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Here would be another way to look at the numbers. Rather than comparing each film to other Bond releases in a different year, let's compare each film to how it performed against other films within that year. Dalton's first film was the 19th highest grossing film of 1987. License to Kill was the 36th highest grossing film of 1989. Brosnan's first Bond film was the 6th highest grossing film of 1995. Ahead of it were Toy Story, Apollo 13, Pocohontas, Batman. Stiff competition. Brosnan's second film dropped to the 10th highest grossing film of 1997, but considering that Men In Black, Titanic, Jurassic Park, and the re-release of Star Wars, ten is not so bad. Brosnan's third dropped to the 14th spot in 1999, but again, considering that 1999 saw The Matrix, Star Wars, Toy Story 2, The Sixth Sense, and Blair Witch, that is a respectable performance. Brosnan's last Bond film was 12th in 2002, but considering that year brought us Spiderman, Lord of the Rings, Men in Black II, and Harry Potter, that is a very respectable placement.Even discounting inflation, gross figures, etc., Brosnan's performance, in terms of box office placement, has been better than Dalton's. I suspect that if Dalton's Bond placed spots akin to Brosnan's, he would have been Bond for more than two pictures.
Well there is no question that the Bond execs felt they needed a change of Bond actors. Daylights came before Licence and Daylights was a stinkeroo. There was a long what 6 year wait after Dalton so his numbers had the gee it's been a long time factor to factor in.I also don't think one can even compare to other films on a chart -- more kids spend money at the movies than do their parents these days as opposed to back then -- which is why more and more movies are geared to them and are a lot dumber.
Certainly the Brosnan movies have made more money no matter which way one slices it - but I also knwo they want a younger cheaper hipper Bond to appeal to the kids. Of course with all that bond knows how to do and all the knowledge he has he would have to be a minimum of 40 just to learn it all.
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