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In Reply to: Nice entertainment but why one would wish to view it twice is the real posted by tinear on August 3, 2005 at 11:59:11:

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Oh, c'mon! If you can't see the difference between - tinear 13:51:42 08/30/05 (10)
Claudius, Othello, Macbeth and the murdering psyopaths in Scorscese's (and Coppola's) paeans to the Mafia... then you'd better read some more of the Bard.
What feeling do you come away with after seeing Godfather, Goodfellas, etc.?
Quite different from that of a Shakespearean tragedy, I hope.
Next, you'll be applauding Casino, for chrissakes.
I don't think the American director's efforts are bad, mind you, but just think they fall a long ways short of excellent. Jeez, I wouldn't even dare mention them in the same... week as I reverently whispered the name of Will.
- Re: Just pointing out the rather... - Jeff Starrs 14:41:42 08/30/05 (9)
  ...large size brush you use when saying "Elevating murderers to mythic status is reprehensible for any artist."
  We are talking about Scorsese and not, ssssh, Will, after all.
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  - As an Italian-American (both sides), I am offended that these - tinear 18:07:44 08/30/05 (8)
    directors cannot find some other subject than glorifying the worst members of the community.
    African-American directors seem to have the same agenda, however, so I guess greed and sensationalism isn't culture specific.
    Sure reinforces stereotypes, however, and makes for a one-dimensional portrait of an entire people.
    - Re: As an Italian-American (both sides), I am offended that these - PhilNYC 11:16:19 08/31/05 (0)
      > > directors cannot find some other subject than glorifying the worst members of the community. < <
      Scorsese actually has quite a number of films that don't glorify the worst members of the community. Admittedly, his work on Michael Jackson's HIStory is unforgiveable... ;-)
    - I didn't notice you mention Mafia in the post I replied to or - sjb 08:24:44 08/31/05 (0)
      here... "Elevating murderers to mythic status is reprehensible for any artist."
      Of course Tarantino DOES do that... mafia or not. Methinks you have a bit of a double standard going :-)
      
      "Where are we going? And what am I doing in this hand basket?"
    - Re: As an Italian-American (both sides), I am offended that these - rico 08:23:13 08/31/05 (0)
      Many directors deal with a gentler side of the Italan American experience. I think of "Big Night", "Mac', "A Bronx Tale", and others (OK,OK, maybe not "A Bronx Tale").
    - Two Goodfellas actors redeemed themselves in the TV series"That's Life" - grinagog 01:31:48 08/31/05 (0)
      Paul Sorvino and Debi Mazar (Liottas coked out girlfriend in Goodfellas), resurface as pillar of society Italian-American go-to-work types who don't do drugs or kill anyone; or even talk about it, the whole series
      I am fairly sure those roles were a penance equivalent to being forced to sit and watch traffic passing through the NJ turnpike in comparison to the latitude Goodfellas would have allowed them
      Disclaimer: I only ever watched this 'cos Ellen Burstyn was in it (honest) It wasn't any kind of fascination with how boring any particular ethnic group could be portrayed; or anything like that
      And in the hope that Joe Pesci would make at least a cameo appearance and liven things up a bit.... Alas, it was not to be
      Grins
    - "I am offended that these directors cannot find some other subject than glorifying the worst members of the community." - sjb 22:56:06 08/30/05 (3)
      Tarantino does that at least as much as Scorcese... if not more so.
      
      "Where are we going? And what am I doing in this hand basket?"
      - I didn't notice Mafia in ANY of his films? nt - tinear 07:33:43 08/31/05 (2)
        
        In Reply to: "I am offended that these directors cannot find some other subject than glorifying the worst members of the community." posted by sjb on August 3, 2005 at 22:56:06:
        
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        Re: I didn't notice Mafia in ANY of his films? nt - jamesgarvin 08:30:37 08/31/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: I didn't notice Mafia in ANY of his films? nt posted by tinear on August 31, 2005 at 07:33:43:
        
        So, it is okay to glorify organized crime, which Tarantino most certainly does, but not okay to glorify (for the sake of argument) organized crime as organized by Italians. Commonly known as the Mafia. Yep. No double standard there.
        
        The point is... oh well, why bother? nt - tinear 18:06:27 08/31/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: I didn't notice Mafia in ANY of his films? nt posted by jamesgarvin on August 31, 2005 at 08:30:37:
        
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