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In Reply to: No offense, but Sin City is not the dehumanizing experience you're describing. posted by Audiophilander on September 29, 2005 at 09:26:36:
all the while uttering phrases of delight in what he's doing... yeah, that's a healthy cartoon alright (and no, this doesn't compare to Reservoir Dogs because the Madsen character in that film is the villain doing the unthinkable to a cop, definitely portrayed as a brave guy who won't refuse to give up his friend; the violence also has a plot drive reason, unlike the vivisection scene).
This entire sado-masochistic film is a senseless bloodbath. If you find pleasure in watching humans torturing and severely injuring one another, and your pleasure is increased by the volume of blood, then, mon ami, you have some seriously repressed issues (God, I hope they're repressed...).
Don't make light of the fact that the hero of the film is the torturer, either. I can't think of another film wherein we're asked to look upon a sadistic torturing murderer as the "good guy."
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The main question in the viewer's mind should be whether there was moral justification in view of the serial murderer's cruelty.> > > "yeah, that's a healthy cartoon alright" < < <
The movie wasn't a "cartoon" but rather a dramatized study of 30's & 40's style pulp violence (ala The Spider, The Shadow, Operator #5, Doc Savage, etc.) displayed via a noirish rotoscoped technique that recreates graphic novel imagery.
> > > "If you find pleasure in watching humans torturing and severely injuring one another,..." < < <
Keep telling yourself it's only a movie, ...it's only a movie, ...it's only ...! :o)
> > > "Don't make light of the fact that the hero of the film is the torturer, either. I can't think of another film wherein we're asked to look upon a sadistic torturing murderer as the "good guy."" < < <
TV - Spike & Angel in both Buffy the Vampire Slayer & Angel (redeemed in a manner of speaking, but still having a history of committing torture); one of the two main characters identifiable as "good guys" in the new HBO series Rome is now a torturer/killer
Movies where leads are both capable torturers & (in some caes, arguably) the "good guys" - Frankenstein (orig., Boris Karloff), The Godfather series, Dirty Harry series, James Bond series, The Usual Suspects (sorry, no spoilers), Kill Bill Pt.s I & II, From Dusk 'Til Dawn, Interview with a Vampire, etc., and this is just off the top of my head!
Cheers,
AuPh
Very good points AuPh.I don't know when the trend started but I saw the Clint Eastwood movies where the good guy was much more of a cold-blooded killer than the so-called bad guys as the start of a trend. Movies now have to give audiences the cathartic killing of the bad guys. On top of the kill, they have to give a snappy retort as well.
For example, in the comic book genre, Batman was not killing off the Joker and the others. In all these comic book movies, the bad guy always gets wasted at the end. (I thought Batman Begins was a nice departure from this dreary rut.)
realistic, grisly, torture are very different.
And, btw, I have posted my feelings on Coppola's "worship" of Michael and Sonny's family.
The Hero of the movie also got shot multiple times and hit by a car several times and was no worse for the wear. This was not realistic in any sense. The guy he cut off the arms and legs ATE women and even in this crazy arena, had it coming.
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