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In Reply to: What has been the most disappointing movie sequel?.... posted by millen on October 6, 2005 at 08:50:24:
miollen,It's difficult to say which is absolutely the MOST disappointing sequel, but: "The Sting II", "Matrix" after the first one, "Temple of Doom"/"Last Crusade" Terminator III" are some clear winners. For me, disspointing sequels happen more often with blockbusters in which producers try to cash in on some quirky relationship of characters or gimmicks. The worst offender I think is the "Raiders of the Lost Ark" series that started with so much promise for it's genre. "2010" was disppointing as it changed from the brilliant, laconic look at man's relationship to technology of "2001" and made it a silly political/quasi-religious mess. It doesn't work very well either to predict that in 2010, the US and the Soviet Union are nearly at war- a bit ridiculous all round really.
Of course, the public also doesn't deserve the last three "Star Wars" episodes either.
Cheers,
Bambi B
Follow Ups:
I think '2001' was a fine space opera for about 2/3 of it and then a damned silly light show. I was really disappointed in it.I own '2010' and enjoy it each time I see it.
You MUST be kidding.
nt
I agree with what you wrote, completely, and wasn't paying enough attention. Pardon me for parotting what you wrote. It was unintentional.
Wasn't Bob Balaban in 2010? And also in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, for that matter!When are they gonna make a Close Encounters II: Return of the Mothership?
(he-he!)
Sorry... somebody mentioned Balaban and, well... you know.
SF Tech,-And the intense band leader in "Waiting for Guffman" and the foul mouthed Charlie Chan movie producer in Micheal Gambon murdering "Gosford Park". Yes, Bob Balaban is your one-stop acting line stylist.
Balaban is interesting- one of those actors that usualy is in the mix of the second tier of the important characters, but he's still memorable- he does small things well.
"Close Encounters II": Richard Dreyfuss returns in the mothership five years later, horribly aged about 60 ears- and contrary to General Relativity:
Nerd 1: "Einstein was wrong."
Nerd 2: "Einstein was one of THEM"
Nerd 1: "Well then I'm right. That means I'm smarter than Einstein."
Nerd 2: " Hey! Let's get Boogers and revolt at the sorority slumber party and show those jocks a thing or to about high amperages."
Next time I'll tell you my idea for "Hamlet 2"
Cheers,Bambi B
I managed to read your post. "High Amperages"! That is some funny shit...Balaban is the simple, second tier actor that you describe!
But he's the best godamned, simple, second tiered actor... Ever!
Cheers
my sincere apologies for the non-sequitor-ish nature of my post in this topic...but the fact remains. I'll watch ANYTHING featuring Bob Balaban!
there were some humdingers on those especially in the later ones.
millem,I haven't forgotten the "Rocky's" for the simple reason I've never seen any of them -including the original.
RE the "Rocky" sequels: Paraphrasing from "Ghostbusters"***
"I'm fully prepared to believe you."
*** -A movie with another set of unfortunate sequels that I did forget:
Cheers,Bambi B
and a fat and content Rocky appeared the perfect patsy. Or so we were led to believe....
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While it was not the stunning epic as "2001", I don't think it was ever trying to be that. For me the only thing "2010" was trying to do was make a commercial attempt to answer so lingering questions that had been generated in "2001". Whether it answered those questions or not I found the attempt rather entertaining. One of the questions that has been around for a long time is whether or not Jupiter was still born star. I like the way the movie tied that aspect in. Just like any other movie from that time period of release (1984) the "cold war" between the U.S. and Russia was a very timely issue. Any way just my opinion.
A very nice followup to an almost unfollowupable film. A serious attempt, with good acting and a pretty plausible story line (all things considered). Even a quite tender moment when "Dave" appeared to his dying mother. What did he say? Something wonderful is going to happen? And yes, the cold war tensions were very realistically played out. Damned if the climax didn't deliver. Very satisfactory, plus we got to see the great Roy Scheider. We actually bought this DVD and watch it from time to time.
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Road Warrior,
I agree that "2010" had some good acting: Scheider made some brilliant moment out of some trite dialogue.[The probe sent to look at possible life in a crater on Europa has just shot past them at incredible speed. The inference is the probe did not shoot itself at Jupiter to amuse itself]:
Russian guy: O.K. Vat do YOU thindck it waz?
Pause, Cut to Scheider casually leaning on a nuclear reactor.
Scheider: A warning.
And I liked the Helen Mirren character too- well underplaying the trite political dialogue. I'm not an expert, but her incomprehensible Russian was good incomprehnesible Russian.
The Lithgow character and Russian counterpart weren't quite so subtle:
[Russian guy and Lithgow have floated over from the Russian ship to the ol 2001 ship- now a giant spinning cosmic hambone. This floating over was a scary thing to do]:
Russian Guy: I was scarezdd first time I'm doingziz 2 .
Lithgow: How many times have you done it?
{ba-ba-BA bum!}
Russian guy: This was my first time.
But, I really hated the mere fact that this movie did intend to answer the questions posed by "2001".
It was the emotional sparceness and the cold, faceless mystery of the monolith, the unexplained screaming when it was on the Moon. The monolith- as it symbolizes technology and it's relation to small "c" creation- should remain ultimately a mystery- and it's true depths unknown.
To have ol whozits come back and drag us in bits through the explication of the recapitulation of the backstory flashback plotpoints is a solution that doesn't even fool a Bambi ! Weren't there several series in the US with ghosts and/or angels fluttering around helping everyone- no doubt giving wise guidance through difficult home refinancing?
There are some questions that completely lose their elegance when answered- and this reflects back on the origianal and makes it seem simplistic- oh the monolith was some spaceship that was bringing life to colonise Europa and is clever eough to compress Jupiter until it becomes a star?
But, it was never answered- the critical point that we all now must know: Who bought the furniture in old Dave Bowman's room with the wall to wall floor lighting?
Hey! Road Warrior- Wait!- Coming to a theatre near you!, "2032: The Search for Petrol" And Mel Gibson will hurtle down dusty Australian roads in a RHD 2005 Mustang with a big supercharger and spikes on the front- and swinging a chain.
Cheers,Bambi B
Yes, they did try to answer many of 2001's "best left alone" questions. But I still think it was an admirable attempt, given the stature (quite desreved IMHO) of the first one. It could have been laughably awful. As it is, I gave it *** out of ****
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Hey, R.W., can an unfollowupable film, one that really stinks (not "2001"), be considered bellyupable? And that reminds me of somebody--was it Johnny Carson as Aunt Blabby?--in a comedy bit trying to buy something from someone else who admonishes him to up his offer. The buyer's response: "Up yours."
ya make a perfect unfollowupable film and think, Yea! No way they can make a sequel. But no, they get around the unfollowupableness by cheating w/a freekin prequel. BTW, Batman Begins doesn't qualify as all the Batman movies were followupable.
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Agreed. Come to think of it, I don't believe I've ever seen a preekin' frequel.
Who can forget the famous exchanges between Hal and Dave:Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Dave, I read you.
Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Dave Bowman: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL?
HAL: I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
Dave Bowman: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Dave, although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HAL: Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[HAL won't let Dave into the ship]
Dave Bowman: All right, HAL; I'll go in through the emergency airlock.
HAL: Without your space helmet, Dave, you're going to find that rather difficult.
Dave Bowman: HAL, I won't argue with you anymore! Open the doors!
HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[on Dave's return to the ship, after HAL has killed the rest of the crew]
HAL: Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HAL: I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[HAL's shutdown]
HAL: I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.
for me. We'd taken about 2500 mics of acid, each.
Come to think of it, I've never felt the same since.
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