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In Reply to: No noise on mine posted by Scott Wurcer on October 02, 2000 at 18:45:43:
***if you think you can take anything try 'Salo'.Definitely (!) get "Salo". Make sure your in-laws are watching with you. Lock the exit door.... and enjoooooyyyyyyy....
Try to figure out who gets the tape in the divorce settlement.
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Thanks for the recommendations. Actually I see all types of movies but as a cuisine and wine enthusiast, I actually buy to own the food movies...Tampopo, Chef in Love, and I have a few others too -- the italian cooks starting a restaurant etc. etc...cook the thief,.... Will buy both movies that you guys recommended. What is Salo about..is it really good? And what is La Grande Bouffe about? just a one sentence run down..if you can.btw, so victor you are still around huh? I scrolled down and thought that you had vanished since I saw not a single post for quite a while from you. No in-laws will be watching. just me and wife.
Cheers
***What is Salo about..Salo is all about shocking the Italian public that has been very critical of Pasolini's earlier work. Pasolini had tremendous talent, one in a century, perhaps, but it was largely misdirected. He went from one poor public reception to another, with negative reactions just getting stronger and stronger. He, in return, got angrier and angrier. He felt rejected by the pruddish populace unable to see the true art behind the shocking scenes. He had, of course, a point, but he got too absorbed in that battle and too hurt. His end was perhaps all too fitting.
He kept mumbling to himself: "Oh yeah, so you can't take my Decameron (or Arabian Nights, or whatever)? Just wait till I roll out the ultimate shocker!"
That ultimate shocker was, of course, the Salo. For all my extensive experience with movies, I can't think of another movie that even comes close in its shock value. I am, of course, talking about REAL shock, not some teen giggly slasher, not the "Save that damn Private, Already". Perhaps only some scenes in early Bergman's movies even come close.
What makes it so shocking? It is not just the collection of images that most folks would find immensely objectionable - that would be easy to digest (huh!). It is his intense and unmatched mastery that makes it so effective. If the "dance of death" in the midst of the carnage doesn't stop your blood flow for few seconds - then you perhaps don't have blood flow to speak of.
As I said, unfortunately too much of his creative energy (and he had tons of it) was directed towards his relationship with the unreceptive public. As great as Salo and some of his other works are, they are burdened by this "I'll show you!" nonsense.
***is it really good?Simply one of the best movies ever made. Never mind the story, the artistic means are trully the pinacle of movie as art form.
***btw, so victor you are still around huh? I scrolled down and thought that you had vanished since I saw not a single post for quite a while from you. No in-laws will be watching. just me and wife.
Yes, I am still around.
Let us know how it goes. It is available on DVD.
okay.. i ordered the grand bouffe but as for salo, I will rent it. or buy it second hand. Not sure.... I know what you mean. After your recommendation, I looked up reviews and they were just what you said too. After you said the same thing, I think I have a fair idea of his brilliance and his increasing anger at the public media reaction. And of his brilliance gradually being used by him in not the best way.... happens to the best of people in various aspects of life actually. his story itself is a movie in the making.movies like cook the thief etc. are fine with me.. 301/302 was fine too. but this one sounds a bit tough to watch and more harder to justify owning for repeated watching. Dunno whether i would want to watch it more than once.
cheers and thanks for the feedback.
Passolini's earlier works are clearly better though I would need a refresher for a final judgement today. People get distracted by the strong sexual content in the later films. I generally don't find consentual same-sex or any sex acts for that matter offensive, or even discomforting, and therefore found some boredom in his later works. I would agree with those that find more of the ultimate gross-out in 'Salo' than art. BTW he was another tragicly murdered gay artist (sort of like Col. Hogan :).If you ever had a friend who was a victim of incest you would understand that '301/302' is simply one of the most powerful, beautiful, and frightening films ever on the subject. It is worth a dozen PBS documentaries.
oh, i dont think i said that i find anything disturbing. Frankly I dont find anything in MOVIES disturbing. And I thought 301/302 was good and bought it because it is part of my cuisine/food collection of art movies which I like. I think of expression in art especially in the most liberal way possible. Just a question of what movies I want to see repeatedly versus what I want to see by renting. I generally get the cuisine movies for keeps since it is part of my collection. Now if a cuisine movie has R, x or whatever rating, I still just buy it. But another kind of movie I may not. So my decision was more related to genre.
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