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In Reply to: Munich. Wow, what a posted by tinear on December 23, 2005 at 18:39:31:
Tin,Although I think you have it all backwards.
:-)
Don't read Jonas' book as it takes enormous liberties with the real story.
Unfortunately, Spielberg used "Vengeance" as the absolute truth behind the events and I found "Avner" to be rather...what's the word...a total crock.
Merry Xmas.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell em you're Jewish"
Follow Ups:
That seems to be the case with this film. It doesn't help that the guy who made Schindler's List also made this.
I know we differ on the issues of Palestinian rights and the legitimacy of Israel's OLD claims, but the fact is, Israel is a country, has been one for a long time, has paid a terrible price, and (why does one have still to say it?) deserves to continue on, whatever the cost. Whatever.
The same case can be said for the Palestinian "cause" for the creation of a homeland.
My problem with the film is not its politics, per se, but the preachy, self-righteous tone. And... it's not a very good action/suspense film.
One wants to like Bana because he seems... likable. But an assassin? He never convinced me. I also have a slight problem with the Mossad being portrayed as selecting the Incompetent Bunch for such a critical mission.
Tin,I have so many issues with this film (not of a political nature) that I saw it twice to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.
1. Spielberg's adaptation of "Vengeance" was very poor. He emphasizes certain things well - but then turns everything else into a Hollywood spectacle.
The killing of Wael Zwaiter was just wrong - based on the book, historical account in various texts, newspapers, etc...
There is no real explanation as to why the Mossad would kill a "poet" and I think that applied to a lot of the Fatah and Black September people assasinated.
Where's the beef?
I think the moral equivalency thing has been blown out of proportion by critics.
The scenes at the end where the Black September murderer butchers the last 5 athletes in the helicopter were very powerful and accurate. I would have walked out of the theater had Spielberg portrayed that any differently.
Spielberg also forgot (for some reason that only he can explain) to mention that the other team members had wives and even children. His portrayal of "Robert" the toy/bomb maker was really out there.
I also object to his two-dimensional portrayal of the Israelis. To suggest that the IDF brass were so cool and non-chalant about their decision to undertake the mission is fucking laughable.
The cost of sending a number of teams around Europe was enormous, not to mention, rather perilous for diplomatic reasons if they got caught - which one team did in Lillehammer, Norway.
A simplistic portrayal of a very complicated event that barely scratched the surface.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell em you're Jewish"
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