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The first one, that is.Just saw it. Great action flick.
Hardly a dull moment, and the bullet train ending was boffo!
Well worth a rent.
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Sorry, hated that movie. The plot was unbelivably ridiculous... so illogical it was hard to follow, and not intelligently so.
Anyhow, Heat is my favorite action movie, deniro and pacino and kilmer, all the guys I love... that scene in the airport where deniro and pacino battle it out is awesome, and the scene in the coffee shop
is just killer... but for plain action, nothing beats the bank robbery scene, they even shoot like trained swat guys spraying bullets in random directions to keep cops at bay....
Just wanted to say that I agree... Heat is a definite masterpiece. I'm constantly suggesting it to friends, and they always respond with, "Oh wow, I've never even heard of it". It's a damn shame.I do have to admit that Pacino is a little too over the top in the movie, but DeNiro's performance is one of his best in recent memory, and Ashley Judd was pretty good too. Natalie Portman's apperance is usually lost in the mix of all the big names in the film, and her performance is solid as well.
Actually I feel the ending ruined this movie. It was fun action and the story was okey till the so called action scenes turned cartoonish and made me feel I was watching a movie for 12year olds.
The second flick was even worse, not one single action scene which seemed halfway real, so arranged and perfect to the point that it got boring. No sweat when computers do it all!!!
Matrix was cool, but I feel every damn action flick coming out now tries to outdo it, and the action scenes these days are becoming more and more like science fiction, which the Matrix was, so it was okey.
The Limey is the only exception I've seen so far after the Matrix which has action the way it should be.
Anyone else who liked 'the Limey' neeed to see 'The Ususal Suspects' which is THE perfect action thriller?
You ain't seen nothing yet! Wait until you see M.I.2. which is scheduled to be released tomorrow on Election Day on DVD (not sure on VHS). Can't wait to see it second time in my own comfy home theater.
can't say I was impressed.Some nice special effects, but then some way stupid suspension of disbelief in it too.
The movie stops with the death of Sara - there is nothing after that. Even Jean Reno is pale - and that is one great achievement.I don't know if you have seen Ronin, but for the action that one can't be beat.
Ah, and Jean Reno is good in it - but that is hardly a great achievement anymore.
And Robert De Niro - well, I can almost forgive him for playing fool with CLinton.
Then again, maybe not...
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They are among the most naive outgrowth of the 007 movies. Their level of believability is as close to zero as it gets. They really are parodies, not movies.Ronin, by comparisson, is surely removed from reality, but not in a childish way, so one can still connect to it and feel like they are watching something moderately real.
Watching someone hit by fifty bullets still alive, fly through the air shooting non-stop from two Beretta's hitting five adversaries with every bullet is not my idea of an action movie. It is your typical super-hero stuff, Batman revisited.
Plus Ronin set new standard for car chases - these are simply without equal.
*** Hardboiled and The Killer are among the most naive outgrowth of the 007 movies***????????
How in the world did you arrive at that conclusion?
Films like Our Man Flint, The Liquidator, and The Silencers are first-generation spin-offs of the Bond movies. Flicks like The Ipcris File show perhaps two degrees of separation; the Frank Sinatra "Tony Rome" detective series a third degree of separation; and television series such as The Man from U.N.C.L.E. a fourth degree of separation. If you can show a link between Hard Boiled, which is a Hong Kong/Hollywood crossover cop/buddy flick with kung fu roots to the Bond movies I would love to see it!
As far as your assertion that Ronin is superior to Hard Boiled... I won't argue with you although I totally disagree with you. One cannot argue with preferences.
Still, I guess that's why you collect swords and I collect rare and first edition books.
Any action movie requires a certain level of suspension - of - disbelief. That's true with Woo's films and with "Ronin". I haven't seen "Ronin" since its theatrical relase but my memory is that the plot had holes in it that you could drive a truck through. I think you've looked at these movies on the most superficial level - "that gun can't shoot that many rounds" - and failed to see the breathtaking filmmaking in them. In "Hardboiled" there's a long sequence where the two leads get on an elevator, have a conversation while loading their guns, get off at the next floor, then fight their way down a couple of halls and around a corner or two. Why is that so remarkable? Because its one continous take perhaps 90 seconds long. The scene includes a couple of dozen stunts and maybe a hundred pyro effects, all of it happening in real time. Its a stunningly audacious demonstration of Woo's skill. I can think of few scenes in film history to compare it to, maybe some of Keaton's stunts.
Well, Rob, on one hand I am willing to say that this is all just a matter of a degree, but on the other hand there is still too much of a Marxsist left in me to know that at certain point quantity does transform into a different quality. To put it simply, it is not that the Hardboiled is simply a bit more removed from reality than Ronin - id DOES have a completely different substance.An action movie doesn't have to look like a comic book silliness to be interesting and riveting. One can put emphasis on stunts, or one can concentrate on the more subtle means and elements. These subtle elements can be captivating without looking childish. Like many other things in life, the perfection is in the balance, and when subjected to this test, the Hardboiled fails. In my view, of course. It makes me feel like coming to the fine Japanese restaurant and eating nothing but the soy souse. That is not my idea of fine dining.
Like with the soy souse, there is nothing wrong with kicks, punches, shots, chases. It is just that I expect more for my money. I also expect sushi.
any really cool cars in those movies?? since I am not so fond of these movies for any other reason, I was hoping to figure out as to what I will see. thanks for any input.
heloo
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