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Some of you will probably remember how I feel about Tarkovsky and his films. For those of you who don't - he used to belong to a rather small group of true artists.Until recently.
In my life I have witnessed two great monument destructions. First one was after the 1956, when all images of Stalin were removed. That included the humangous, thirty feet or so, statue on one of the Leningrad hills. One morning it was gone, so I asked my father... but I didn't get far.
Second one - the Berling wall.
Now this...
Shostakovich in his memoires writes how during the filming of Andrey Rublev Tarkovsky wanted a shot of a cow running all ungulfed in flames. No one wanted to do this, so he himself drenched the poor beast in kerosene and set it on fire. I don't recall that scene, but it is apparently quite striking.
No shit.
I don't know about you, but to me these things do matter a lot. I despise that sort of cruelty and unless I hear a conflicting account, this man is gone. He can take his Stalker and shove it. His broken Mirror too.
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I think Hermann Nitsch has been doing bull killings since the late 60s. I don't like it or agree with it, but here is the link.http://www.nitsch.org/ien/
Like that steak with some good wine? How about some nice juicy turkey for Thanksgiving? How do you think those animals die before their meat hits your table - by a lethal injection? What about the cow you wear on you shoulders and on your feet and hold up your pants? Feathers in you pillow, leaher seats of your car? Perhaps you are condoning the same violence that existed for thousands of years because you don't see how it's done(and let's face it - who doesn't like some fried meat?!), but when you see it on the screen or read about it, now that's another story...now Tarkovsky is a freakish maniac-film director who is out of your favor.
Also, saw a Japanese restaurant in which a live fish is served gasping amd moving with the rear half deep fried in oil.Most animal-based foods don't bother me. Still haven't made up my mind about foie gras. But burning up a live cow just for art's sake makes me sick.
...your points simply are argumentative for argumentative sake and hardly need any answer.To reiterate my point - anyone who does that sort of stuff doesn't get my consideration and respect - my pillow and my shoes notwithstanding.
Or you want to make that shaky moral bridge from steaks and pillows to human skin lamp shades Maluta Skuratov?
Lol.
I realize that equating burning someone alive and eating some patties isn't the same, but -
1.I can hardly believe that Tarkovsky would do anything like that
2.I can hardly believe that Tarkovsky would do anything like that. 3.That is really sick
4.Not in this day and age, etc
but perhaps one can see a madman artist in that, who knows.
There was also an episode with the horse in Andrei Rublev, where the horse gets slashed and then falls backwards on it's ass(if it's a trick, it's a very clever horse).
I still think that this burning cow business is a something from the realm of the twilight zone.
I intentionally left the door open - I said that inless I hear a conflicting account... And wish such account comes along.There is always a bit of a madman in every good artst, so I am willing to cut them some slack. Perhaps if they stuck to cutting off THEIR parts...
BTW, it always amazes me what they can do in modern movies without hurting the horses, for example - yeah, I am talking about those "No aminals were injured..." messages at the end.
If the messages are true, and I have little reason to believe they aren't, given PETA everywhere, the stunts they now do are tremendous.
I have seen some animal trainers at work (on TV) and it is a lot of fun to watch what the animals can do when handled right.
So perhaps some animal trainers could share their experiences?
Speaking of which, there was a segment some time ago about a penguin that would every morning go to the local market for fish and stuff - I believe some place in Japan?. He has a back pack and everyone knows him, so the merchants put the items in his pack and he then brings them home. That was pretty funny to see the bird walk down the streets, busy and no-nonsense.
I would loved to have seen that. Where was it aired?
-regards,
Rich S.
One of those programs on animals where they show short pieces on them. We don't watch them regularly, and just stumbled on this one.Good luck and perhaps someone here would be able to suggest the program name.
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I doubt very much that the leather seats in my car are from a cow that was drenched in kerosene and burned alive. I also won't believe that they use this same method to make hamburgers at McDonald's. Least of all, I have a hard time believing that anyone has time to torture a bird to put feathers in my pillow. C'mon, do you really think that they do anything more than a quick death to these animals?
Burning them alive on film is a bit much.
And no, I'm not a vegetarian.
Tweaker, take a day off tweaking and go to your local slaughther house(doesn't matter if it's not # 5)or to a chinese live poultry place. Prepare to be surprised.
"Least of all, I have a hard time believing that anyone has time to torture a bird to put feathers in my pillow."
No, the bird just says to the pillow-stuffer- "I'll trade you my feathers for a nice vacation in Hedonism II".
I guess you accept murder, but not torture before the said murder occurs. That's cool.
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