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criticize a man who died for his beliefs (no matter what you think of them he did put his life on the line for them).
My only point, after reading several posts here that seem to have missed this critical piece of the film:
Treadwell had lived 13 summers w/out any attacks, even any outright aggression, and had gotten to "know" the bears (they are extremely territorial) that frequented this particular place.
He had completed his summer and was about to leave the area when he decided to return for another short stay, which took him into a different season. He also went to a nearby area, not the one he was so used to. The bear that most probably attacked him and his companion was an old male bear that he hadn't known before and that appeared emaciated and which had little time to put on the weight necessary to a successful hibernation in that harsh climate. The local authorities think also that it may have been a bear which earlier had been captured for treatment of a jaw infection.
Anyhow, what this means is that Treadwell successfully had learned how to survive with the bears but he had broken his "rhythm" and that cost him and his friend their lives.
Everyday, people that engage in dangerous activities make similar mistakes.
Somewhat amazingly, many people that watch this movie seem unable to separate their feelings about the central character from an opinion of the film's worth.
I guess they could never appreciate a film about Hitler, the Mafia, or George W. Bush...
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gives an insight into a very damaged individual (Treadwell), is beautifully put together by a master (Herzog) and, well, has a great soundtrack (Thompson).**Somewhat amazingly, many people that watch this movie seem unable to separate their feelings about the central character from an opinion of the film's worth.**
I completely agree. Initially I thought the subject matter was one I wouldn't be much interested in. What type of idiot tries to live amongst grizzly bears and ends up as a bear's breakfast? Herzog succeeds in telling the story and in giving Treadwell his due as a film maker and believer in his "cause". Herzog doesn't fail to point out that Treadwell crossed a very dangerous line.
It's certainly a worthy film. Treadwell was a very interesting character that pushed his luck FAR past too far.
*** Q:Why's the chicken cross the road?
***A: Fats Waller: They don't, they all stay on my side now...***
Might the bear have been attracted to the smell of blood? There were two people and one was a woman.
At any tate, I've only saw bits and pieces of the film from the recent showings on tv. And caught the part where the pilot described first seing the bear eating at a rib cage. Strange. There were some strange details.I'll just have to rent the dvd and watch it from the beginning to the end.
Somewhat amazingly, many people that watch this movie seem unable to separate their feelings about the central character from an opinion of the film's worth.The film's worth....hmmmmm.
It's a fine message film if the message is "Respect nature."
It's also difficult to seperate feelings about the film and the central character when the film spends the lions share of time about the central character. The name of the film refers to the central character or more honestly, how the central character wanted to be referred. It wouldn't be painting the whole picture if a discussion of the main subject of the film was out of bounds for expressing an opinion, would it?
Respect nature. "Grizzly Man" shows what happens when you don't pay particular attention to the dangers inherit in coexisting with wild hungry bears. Even if you spend 12 three month periods with the bears unscathed, you can get killed without hesitation. All it takes is a little disregard.
Treadwell got too wrapped up in his own psychodrama to pay attention to what he was doing. He wouldn't had "lost his rythym" if he had not gotten in to that fight with the "obese airline employee" who questioned the legitimacy of his airplane ticket. Instead, he sulked back in to the maze, out of his season, unwilling to swallow his pride and work with the system of society. It's a deadly character flaw if we want to use narrative cinema terminology.
Of course, I prefer my initial summary.
is the fact the man was an alcoholic who left civilization, untreated, and focused his obsession on the 'high' and the continual pursuit of 'upping' the high by flirting with death, by the interacting with brown bears.He was a chemically unbalanced man who caused the death of not only himself in his mania, but another human being and two of the brown bears that he professed that he would give his life for.
I never said he was not deluded, wrong-headed, selfish, or rational.
But he was a fascinating guy who did what HE thought was right and was willing to die for it.
Did the filmmaker honestly or at least entertainingly paint his character? Was he an interesting fellow (GM, that is)?
Yes, he and his companion died but is that a terrible thing if you're trying to save the species (as he thought he was?).
Films about unpleasant occurrances or people aren't necessarily bad, right?
he thought bears would see him as something other than food. You know a cuddly buddy they could share jokes with. The last thoughts that went through his head were probably ..."Darwin was right".
A total retard, I do not miss him. I'm on the bears side.
dangerous he knew it was. Of course, he didn't think the bears WOULD attack him. Does a bungy jumper think the cord will break? A parachutist that the chute will foul? A motorcycler that his tires will skid in that corner?
You cannot understand that kind of day-in, day-out courage so you denigrate it. Well, the most basic fear is being consumed by a wild animal: I understand your fear, LW. Face it: that squeaky voiced strange little surfer dude had a bigger pair than you :--(.
taking a dirt nap and I am not. Having a big pair has nothing to do with being an idiot of the first order. You have funny choices for hero worship.
He's hardly a hero. He was an interesting, complex figure, however, and the film was a fascinating study of him.
You ignored my point about other guys that engage in risky behaviors for thrills, of which I believe you're one? Is risking your life for something you believe any crazier or worthy of derision?
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