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In Reply to: Re: Waterloo posted by Victor Khomenko on November 23, 2000 at 05:56:45:
My name is Ferenc Lorinczi, and I'm a student at a Hungarian university. I'm really interested in the Napoleonic wars, and in films related to this theme. I have seen only the cut version of Waterloo so I would be very grateful, if you answer some questions connected with the uncut version of the film.1. About how long was the uncut Waterloo?
2. When and where have you seen it?
3. What kind of excerpts had been cut out?
4. Did you find it better than the cut one?Thank you in advance for your answer.
Follow Ups:
There is a Waterloo reenactment on the site every year(I think). Guy I know has a friend who goes there every time, has his own uniform, musket, etc. Says it's a lot of fun.
Speaking of Napoleon - French military museum in Paris, the one next to the Invalides has rooms-full of Napoleonic memorabilia and historical documents; strangely, the part devoted to the Russian campaign is remarkably slim...I guess you can figure out why.
I have a silver medal from the 1812 war with Alexander's profile on on the avers and revers with rays of sunlight emanating from a masonic eye, which I got from La Salle Druot.
Inscription on the revers of the medal says -"For the taking of Paris 1814".
...do you remember the "Beg"?
I must say - never heard of it before you wrote about it(earlier too, I think).The only Beg I know is the one based upon Bulgakov's novel.(Paramosha...etc)
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So it has nothing to do with Napoleon then?
Dear Ferenc,I saw it almost thrity years ago in Russia - when it came out and I believe it was substantially longer, but my memory of that is not too good. So I am afraid I would not be able to answer your questions.
I happened to be in the Mukachevo area when the movie was being made and recall all the troops movements there, but as far as the fine details of the film - trirty years is too long a time.
I saw the US version recently and loved that one.
Dear Victor,Thank you again for your answer and if you will come to know anything about the film, please let me know. Because Waterloo is really one of my favourites, and I would like to know everything about it. I collect everything related to it: pictures, articles, reviews, etc..
Otherwise I have read somewhere, that the uncut version is two-part and about four hours long.
Regards Ferenc
***Otherwise I have read somewhere, that the uncut version is two-part and about four hours long.That is how I remember it too. In USSR anything longer than perhaps 1 hour 45 minutes would be made in two parts.
It is one of my favorite movies too. But all I was able to find so far locally was a rather mediocre VHS tape that doesn't do justice to the magnificent large-scale cinematography. And those aerial shots of French cavalry being decimated are something to die for - no evil pun intended here, serious.
Some folks didn't like the Napoloon-Steiger in that movie, but I just loved Steiger and thought hir portrait of the Emperor was quite close to my mental image (I do love that period and all things related to Napoleon do touch my nerve).
What we really need is a good wide-screen transfer - that would become the most preeminent battle movie.
BTW, if you love this one, you should also consider his War and Peace - or perhaps you have already seen it? The whole movie is perhaps too slow and not because it is insightful, but simply because that was the pace the director liked. It has enough great actors in it to fill a train and the battle scenes there are excellent too (as far as I recall). It has been severely criticized by some mostly for not too good reasons. Perhaps the weakest point was Bondarchuk playing Peirre - and having his wife there didn't score well with most ctitics either. My wife can never forget him for that role - so distant from her interpretation of Pierre it was grotesque. I personally didn't think it was all that bad, certainly within the reason. Yep, the age showed up, but that usually doesn't bother me all that much. Beautiful scenes of balls, ets. I would not mind seeing this one again either.
And sort of along the same lines - have you seen the "Beg"?
"But all I was able to find so far locally was a rather mediocre VHS tape..." I believe this is the cut USA version, isn't it?War and peace. I have seen the Russian and the USA version too, but I must tell you that I found Bondarchuk's film much better than Vidor's one in every respect. I liked especially the battle scenes (Austerlitz and Borodino), which are very poor in the USA version... BTW, have you seen Gance's Austerlitz and the Russian film from 1985: Bagration? Unfortunatelly I have seen only the latter one.
I haven't seen the "Beg", but I believe I won't find it here in Hungary.
***"But all I was able to find so far locally was a rather mediocre VHS tape..." I believe this is the cut USA version, isn't it?Yes, of course.
***War and peace. I have seen the Russian and the USA version too, but I must tell you that I found Bondarchuk's film much better than Vidor's one in every respect.
I think the US version has only one redeaming value - and that is spelled Audrey Hepburn. The rest of it is not remarkable.
***I liked especially the battle scenes (Austerlitz and Borodino), which are very poor in the USA version...
That is why I seggested it next to the Waterloo.
***BTW, have you seen Gance's Austerlitz and the Russian film from 1985: Bagration? Unfortunatelly I have seen only the latter one.
No, unfortunately I don't think I would be able to get either one here in the US.
***I haven't seen the "Beg", but I believe I won't find it here in Hungary.
He-he, and I thought that you being much closer to Russia would be able to... It is a good movie, expecially if you like and know some of the leading Soviet actors of that time (it is swarming with them) and are interested in Russian history.
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