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• Re: I think you're right - Tom §. 16:28:35 03/01/06 (3)
  In Reply to: I think you're right posted by Bersani on February 28, 2006 at 22:06:54:

  In my experience with the AVS Forum years ago, I got the feeling most of those guys were interested in image quality more so than film quality.

  Just a feeling? It's been a lot more blatant to me than that. It's specifically why I go there every once in awhile.

  In regards to Fifth Element, I would have enjoyed it more if it weren't for Chris Tucker. I don't think even he liked his own performance.

  But why Fifth Element for videophiling? Is it because the visual style always shoots for as much ΔE in one frame? Is it the brief glimpse of anorexic girl flesh?

  
  
  

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  • Re: I think you're right - Bersani 17:50:57 03/01/06 (2)
    In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Tom §. on March 1, 2006 at 16:28:35:

    "Just a feeling? It's been a lot more blatant to me than that."

    I was being nice :)

    After all, the AVS forum was a good resource when I was trying to gather as much information as possible about video projectors. Now that I have one, I could hardly be less interested in reading about video equipment. Strange, huh?

    
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    • AVS is the video equivelant of AA (nt) - Jack G 06:09:27 03/03/06 (0)
      In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 17:50:57:

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    • Jesus... - Victor Khomenko 17:56:28 03/01/06 (0)
      In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 17:50:57:

      You mostly said the same things I posted in response to Jack G.

      Scary...

      ***Now that I have one, I could hardly be less interested in reading about video equipment. Strange, huh?

      I say - normal.
      

      
      
      
      

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• Yay! Baraka! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:43:12 03/01/06 (0)
  In Reply to: I think you're right posted by Bersani on February 28, 2006 at 22:06:54:

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• Re: I think you're right - Jack G 05:00:55 03/01/06 (9)
  In Reply to: I think you're right posted by Bersani on February 28, 2006 at 22:06:54:

  > > > In my experience with the AVS Forum years ago, I got the feeling most of those guys were interested in image quality more so than film quality. < < <
  Videophiles interested in picture quality? WHO'LD A THUNK IT?
  Next you'll be claiming audiophiles are interested in sound quality.
  Jack
  
  

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  • Re: I think you're right - Bersani 11:50:29 03/01/06 (8)
    In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 05:00:55:

    My point is that with the majority of videophiles, picture size and quality seems to be a means to its own end. A greater percetage of audiophiles on the other hand started out with a love of music, regardless of fidelity.

    -Anthony

    
    
    

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    • Re: I think you're right - Jack G 12:11:06 03/01/06 (7)
      In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 11:50:29:

      Does that mean you'll sell your system for a Bose wave? Do you know any audiophiles that will worry about the soundstage while tweaking a system? Do you know anyone who ever spend a day swapping power chords to see which sounds best? How about swapping tubes? Both hobbies can have their extremes, but that's not the norm and they are very similar.
      Most videophiles love watching movies (and sometimes TV), and the system is just a way to maximize that enjoyment. Just like audiophiles and their systems. I see them as flip sides of the same coin.
      Jack
      
      

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      • You missed my point again - Bersani 13:05:57 03/01/06 (3)
        In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 12:11:06:

        In my original post I wrote, "In my experience with the AVS Forum years ago, I got the feeling most of those guys were interested in image quality more so than film quality."

        By "film quality," I meant GOOD films, not the multi-million dollar visual spectacles that videophiles seem to be crazy about. It's less common to find audiophiles who listen primarily to a handful of sonic spectaculars.

        As far as the audio video debate goes, I agree with Victor... but that's another subject.

        
        -Anthony
        
        

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        • I understood you-you missed my point - Jack G 13:48:29 03/01/06 (2)
          In Reply to: You missed my point again posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 13:05:57:

          My point was, that many audiophiles will choose sound and recording quality over quality of the music. The old joke is, if it *sounds* good, the music must suck.
          Tell the truth, would you rather watch your favorite movie on a 23" B&W Tv or a 50" plasma?
          Jack
          
          

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          • You just HAVE to ask those hard questions - Victor Khomenko 17:54:52 03/01/06 (1)
            In Reply to: I understood you-you missed my point posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 13:48:29:

            It is not really a question of a 23" B&W vs. plasma... no one would argue such silly thing. It is a question of what role do those decisions play in your life. If you buy the plasma and then forget about it, simply start enjoing movies it is one thing. If you spend thousands on having it calibrated, set up, upgraded, replaced, etc, etc, etc, and constantly reading about better TV's then it is something different.

            I bought a plasma years ago, and never since then had any bug about learning about new models... about upgrading... knowing full well the technology had moved great deal. It just doesn't bother me one bit, as what I have is good enough for my image flipping, plus some.

            When it breaks I will replace it with a modern version, whatever will be modern at that time, but I will not even read any reviews - not now, not when time comes to replace it. When I bought it I simply asked one guy, and he happened to have this one at a good price. Deal!

            So I don't know what bin you put me in... I love movies... and I do not care much about image quality... as long as it is... well... adequate.
            

            
            
            
            

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            • Good point - Jack G 05:51:36 03/02/06 (0)
              In Reply to: You just HAVE to ask those hard questions posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 17:54:52:

              You are probably amoung the largest group of people where you want quality and buy it then its done. Above Joe sixpack who buys into the flash, but not the obsessive hobbyist. I'm in that group, but *closer* to the hobbyist side. When I bought my set, I had to promise my wife I wouldn't treat it like I used to treat audio. I'll keep this set until it dies.
              Jack
              
              

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      • That is not correct - Victor Khomenko 12:23:34 03/01/06 (2)
        In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 12:11:06:

        There have been numerous studies all affirming that humans receive and process visual and audio information differently, with video one being, in somewhat simplistic terms, more primitive in terms of response and processing. Things like TV channel flipping are to some degree result of that insatiable appetite for quickly changing images, and so are the commercials. There is no such analog in audio world.

        So as I said before, I see all such alanogies between video and audio realms as completely and fundamentally flawed.
        

        
        
        
        

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        • That's not the point - Jack G 12:34:25 03/01/06 (1)
          In Reply to: That is not correct posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 12:23:34:

          The *hobbyists* are very similar. Videophiles think of their system along similar lines as audiophiles think of theirs. I've noticed with the fast growth of the HT/video industry, quite a few audiophiles are becoming videophiles.
          Jack
          
          

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          • Well... - Victor Khomenko 12:50:23 03/01/06 (0)
            In Reply to: That's not the point posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 12:34:25:

            Yes, you can say that a crazy hobbyists exist in every field, that is true, but still there are different hobbies that address different parts of the brain. One can be a crazy foodball nut, or a book worm, and those who, while sharing passion, do not do similar things to the "nut" brain.

            It is not elitism to suggest that love of images is lower on totem pole than appreciation of sounds, as the sounds always mean more brain processing, while the images go immediately to the spinal cord, if you will.

            That is why people are so easily hooked on images, witness multiple TV's in every home, with sounds always playing much more modest role.

            Movies represent an interesting case. They start dangerously close to flickering images, but the good ones quickly evolve into cerebral exercise, where images begin to play secondary role, and other attributes take importance... hence my soft disdain for image quailty in movies.
            

            
            
            
            

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