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In Reply to: Well, this is not a political forum but a film one. As a film, it is posted by tinear on May 2, 2006 at 15:01:22:
I did not force you to portray the murderers as "thoughtful" individual, something that insults all their victims. You choose to do so apparently under your own free will, so now do not whine and do not try to miss-represent my views. If some day I make political statements in my review of a film here, then by all means you can go ahead and attack what I said. Untill then your words about me are just an innuendo, while your position was stated rather clearly."Thoughtfull"...
Follow Ups:
There's a lot more going on in it than you may think (based on your reaction to a couple of the words used in tin's analysis).It's not cut and dry, there are voices in the film extremely opposed to these bombings and the would be bombers are not so easily pigeon-holed (and the rage of one of the main characters is more family based). Also, there is - in my opinion - a good but subtle portrayel of how these men are being used by the radical Palestinian power structure.
I can't say more without giving away major plot points but it's worth a look and would be very interesting to discuss if you see it.
"Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
See how little it takes to make you happy... there are voiced opposing slaughter of innocent... like there should be any questions about that!First and foremost they should (and they will not, of course) show those monsters for what they are - scum of the Earth, murderers of the innocent, and perhaps then we would take those films seriously.
...and a few more did write very good things. And under Stalin, there was that man Eisenstein, not to mention quite a few more. And Shostakovich, Prokofiev...And you ignore the good films coming from Iran...
Reducing your argument to what it actually is: "Israel is good, Palestinians are evil" is so easy that it doesnīt even need being done!
Maybe you should live in Flatland...
Regards
BF
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you're right, all it took to make me happy and think it was a good film was for someone to voice their opposition to the slaughter of innocents.I see now how foolish that was and I hate this movie, I hate it!!
"Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
...to stop it.For as long as people will keep making excuses for murderers the slaughter shall continue. Those who orchestrate them are smart, they have been in power for decades and have learned how to manipulate the masses.
When we see mass protests against slaughter, when we see at least some freedom of expression without fear of death in the Palestinian society, when we see free elections and the beginning of democratic process, when we finally see the desire to live side by side with others, not to destroy them, then I too will be a happy man.
Until then... I am glad at least someone is happy.
Victor's Final Solution.
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"Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
... facetious, although he does seem to think it alright for Israelis to murder Palestinians.
As there is no (to my knowledge) refernce in his posts to Israelis killing Palestinians but repeated condemnations of Palestinians killing Israelis, it can only be assumed he has no problem with it.
At this point in his hateful inanity, I am merely provoking him.
"Israelis killing Palestinians???" Did you forget to add "militants"?.
I can't really recall Israelis killing any civilians for the sake of killing civilians in the context of "wiping Palestine from the map".
I always thought it was Palestinians operating on this principle.
Dude, get your facts straight, as Victor suggested.
Also try to recall who walked away from all the peace initiatives offered by Israel?
If their corrupt government cares so much about their own people, they would be the ones at the negotiations table trying to reach at least some kind of compromise.
Of course not giving Israel a right to exist is the easiest way NOT to have peace and to continue getting help fro Iran, Libya and the likes. All you really have to do, is to indoctrinate your own people in hatred of Israel, and make suicide a noble way to end their miserable, hateful lifes.
... it sounds too awful.
Do you really beieve all that?
Here's an offer of peace.. you can live in this area we don't want or we will say you don't want peace... what is your answer?
Its just bullshit.
If you don't think Israelis kill Palestinians then I suppose you would like your house bulldosed while people are in it. Your town bombed and rocketed by the military and in fact to have had your country taken from you at gunpoint.
Wake up please.
Oh, that's something new. Israelis bulldoze Palestinian houses just for the fun of it. Silly me, I thought they do it only after offering people to leave or to surrender(if there are a suspected militants) first.
Omitting these small details makes it so much easier for you to sell your point of view, doesn't it?
If there is an example of a military operating on such strictly enforced humane principals as Israelis, I don't know which one is.
You would probably vote for treating poor Palestinian suicide bombers, militants and their families wearing velvet gloves.
Bulldoze a house down- that's a worst artrocity known to mankind.(Waco camp anyone?)
Suicide bombing and Nazis genocide? not even close. Well, of course, they have a human face and a cause.
Again, Dude, get your facts straight.
... reaching for your gun.
Either that or your dick.
... your use of language and logic is so distorted that you could have been a great success in Nazi Germany.
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