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In Reply to: "As usual...". Thanks, RGA. Lucky to have you posted by tinear on May 7, 2006 at 08:22:04:
preexistance of Israel in Jerusalem from when King David paid the previous owner for the land.Though they as a nation left the place for a few hundred years, they were there as a nation long before the time they temporarily vacated.Nobody is denying that to be uprooted at the point of a gun from the place your ancestors lived for hundreds of years,the only place you or any of your family have known as home as far as anyone can remember is a very difficult thing to allow.God knows most Americans would fight as did the Native Americans when my ancestors showed up all full of themselves manifesting their destiny all over someone else's homeland.The Divine Granting of that land is the only thing that sets it apart.Deny it all you like but Israelis,however strongly they protest that they are a purely secular society,fight for that land because they've believed the Creator of Heaven and Earth put them there for over 4,000 years.Denying that component or setting it at naught is not going to bring you a solution. It is my contention that it is the heart and key to the whole matter that the pride of man refuses to consider.
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". . . preexistance of Israel in Jerusalem from when King David paid the previous owner for the land."If you are going to appeal to the Bible to settle the matter, you might want to review the history BEFORE the books of Samuel and the reign of David.
Genesis talks about "Canaanites in the land," and this was before Abram and his descendants set foot in the land.
Canaanites, naturally, were the native inhabitants of Canaan, a geographical name found in the Bible and other Near Eastern texts (Assyro-Babylonian and Egyptian texts). Terms like Syria/Palestine and Israel (originally name of a person/people, not a geographical name) belong to a much later period.
At any rate, native inhabitants were dwelling there long before the Israelites arrived . . .
townsend
That would be minus, of course, the years of the Lord God's banishment of them to Babylon. Also minus the years of the Lord God's banishment of them to Egypt. (The Lord God was not well pleased evidently.) Moreover, minus the years since the Romans burnt the Temple and drove them out of Palestine.Say! Haven't they been away, a hell of a lot more than they've been there? And haven't the "Palestinians" occupied the land consistently for twenty centuries? So, "Divine Granting" aside, whose land should it be anyway?
clark
That Israel considers itself to have the proverbial god given right is a form of delusional behaviour that would have an individual hospitalised (if there were any such treatments any more) in an instant.
I am repeatedly horrified that in the 21st century we still have so many peoples (on all sids) aligning themselves by such superstitions.
That America votes for a "God given the right to kill anyone president" TWICE no less is equally scary.The religious aspect of course can't be denied. But that is what most all wars I know of are fought over.
1) Religion
2) Land (thus money)
3) ideologyThough 3 is usually fixed with an ego the size of the planet - Hitler for instance.
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"Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
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