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Mates,As the World is under a complete media assault to promote the new movie version of DaVinci Code, I thought I'd look into the book and see what the fuss is all about. While on a recent trip, I was able to make it through about two thirds of the Brown book.
Though I rarely, rarely read fiction, this is the kind of fiction that would ordinarily appeal to me: arcane references and art analysis combined with a murder, metaphyscics/religious history, and chasing around monasteries and libraries- information important enough to cause murder.
The thing is, this was all familiar territory- Umberto Eco's "The Name of the Rose" has very similar elements- it opens with a murder with religious implications at stake that the main character must solve and the Rosacrucians and various 14th C. heresies are all woven into the plot. And the theme of what the Church should supress and at what cost has a similar ring.
The difference with Eco- who is wordy to distraction- is the Brown book has such amazingly dull writing and annoyingly amateur whodunit habits. From the first paragraph the book seems a feeble scenario for a movie- the writing is so oriented towards a movie realisation, I felt I was reading a draft for a screenplay- the plot points are completely conventionally placed for a screenplay as is the structure of three acts. The devices to create anticipation such as the gradual revelation of key elements when the author feels there needs to be a boost with something dramatic- is highly annoying. Dan Brown should read Sherlock Holmes as well as the "Celestine Prophecy"- again. He shouldn't be afraid of plagarism- Brown can afford any defense and the publicity will only sell more books. The interweaving of fact and fiction is expert, but in the end makes an uncomfortable bridge between interpretive history and discount plot conveniences. Sorry to the 50,000,000 readers, but I though this was a mediocre book all along. I should of course finish the book, perhaps I'm missing beautifully rendered plot twists- and these have the skillfulness of product placement- but I really didn't care about the characters, derivative plot contraptions, or the religious implications enough- have you ever read a book and wished the murderer had been more enthusiastic and killed everyone before the story opens? The central idea too is hardly original either: Remember in "Last Temptation" Jesus has a fantasy- whilst on the Cross- of a complete married life- sex and children- with Mary Magdalene? The marriage with MM was the actual "last" temptation- and the "devout" objected then too.
Of course, the religious zealots will hate this book and movie as it challenges dogma about the life of Jesus, but their opposition will have the same effect as it did for "Passion" and "Last Temptation", "Dogma" and the others- anything with "unapproved" scenario will be objectionable- and the publicity will send more people to see it.
Are Americans so hungry for entertainment that has even a modicum of clever, they're willing to put up with convenient forced conclusions, adding soft-headed religious content and make such a fuss over this story? The many contrivances and poor, conventional writing is quite off-putting enough, and perhaps I'm missing exciting conclusions, but based on the book- and the parallels with the very uneven "Name of the Rose", I think I'll be waiting for "DaVinci Code" to appear on HBO in Winter 2006- it will replace "It's a Wonderful Life" as Holiday cheer- and that's soon enough.
Cheers,Bambi B
K.T. magnum emiritus
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No this is not a terribly good film -- it is overlong, the acting is weak in parts with some dour pwerformances from Hanks and Tautou but an enjoyable over the top performance from Sir Ian McKellen who can transcend some of the writing. From the preposterous opening murder cene -- man did that old feller manage to do an awful lot with a massive bullit in his gut. I don;t know but if I was shot in the gut I would find it pretty hard to hide keys behind a painting, write crypted messages with my blood move paintings etc. Me I'd be screeming in agonizing pain and passing out from all the blood leaking out of me.But aside from some of these idiotic sequences and a payoff which was rather a let down -- it was a reasonable time at the movies. Like most consipiracy theory movies this one is easier to get behind because after all the Church is a corrupt bunch of cronies who have brainwashed a large chunk of the population to give themselves power. The let down is that even if they did prove that Jesus was "just an oridinaty man" would that change anything? No because the Church is very good at absolving itself of anything presented as fact to the contrary. Even if they did prove it they would simply deny the science and just call it "divine intelligence" or some such total rubbish.
If there really is a God -- he, she, it, would very likely be far too gifted to waste he, she, or its time on this pathetic planet of religious nutters and not all of us glorified banana eating arrogant monkeys!
While I had some problems with I found it to be a pretty fun romp for the most part.
I agree. Good but not great. And relentlessly unhumorous.
if the book is interesting enough for a five star movie...translation of the book took one star away, acting slipped another two and the directing gave up the rests..
I am still mourning for it.. Film is art, like paintings, and Da Vinci code is ok for the frames...
What the hell happened?? Robots acted better...
It could have used more humor. At least Ian McKellan brought some eccentric charm to it.
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On the bad reviews. People need to go see it a second time to like it. Huh!
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Ex nihilo, nihil fit . . .
...in both of the local nnewspapers I read gave it a 'C'.I don't think the Catholic Church or Christianity has anything to worry about.
would find this movie fascinating so I’ve heard. In the meantime, I’ll wait for the DVD version to come out with anticipation.
I thought it was fun. Not a great movie but not a bad one either. Kind of a good Saturday afternoon flick. I, for one, find a good conspiracy theory fun subject matter for popcorn movies.
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Cane festival gave it a bad reception....if you must know.. I love the book... finished it in two days...
no where near a scholar/literature type I am.
I am still mourning for this film...
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I don;t mind anyone who uses what other critics have to say -- even Roger Ebert quotes from other critics -- but view the film yourself, preferably BEFORE you read any critic -- have an opinion and then read what others have to say about it and determine if they can sway you or not.This applies to audio as well or anything else. If I went entirely by stereophile I would own a pretty poor stereo -- ooops already did that to a large extent and now sold most of it off. Like movie critics there is no degree for these reviewers to get -- they are not any better at evaluating movies than you or I. They may be better at getting words to sing on the page but that hardly makes their insight greater.
The Davinci Code and many BIG movies like this often have more expectation placed upon them. Very rarely do films with high expectations tuly live up to the bill. Conversely low expectations can get an otherwise very mediocre film to be reviewed in a much more generous light. The Davinci Code has some pretty glaring plot serving devices that are beyond belief -- it is neither the great film they wanted it to be or nearly as bad as some critics are suggesting. It is an average scavenger hunt kind of movie that holds some decent entertainment value as popcorn fluff. I'd say wait for the DVD but here in Korea it is practically the same price to see it first run theater.
Then again I may be more generous because it's the first movie in 3 months that I've seen on the big screen.
is just fine with me.
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I bet it's a big hit.
in the hands of a creative producer and directer their might have been a chance for something positive, ie;( Godfather series). DaVinci is just anoter example of least common denominator for max box office mentality. When are they going to earn?
Mediocrity rules!
BTW in Cannes the people have laughed at the film stupidity and the very bad acting.
I better change my opinion about it right away.
Do you get out of shape any time someone here mentions a particular critic and his opinion? Hardly.Folks at Cannes do know a few things about movies. Their opinion is at the same plane as that of most serious critics. So for anyone paying attention to what experienced people have to say, places like Cannes is always a good start.
I can kinda assure you that if all you viewing was based on the Cannes preferences, you would not be so badly off.
"Do you get out of shape any time someone here mentions a particular critic and his opinion? Hardly."Bent out of shape? No. If someone presents a critic's opinion as evidence of qualitiy then I tend to be dismisive. Just as I am dismisive of the audience reaction to Davinci Code at Cannes. OTOH a well thought out critique that has more than just an opinion of quality is something I will pay attention to. Laughter from a few unnnamed audience memebers, even at Cannes, doesn't really mean anything to me.
"Folks at Cannes do know a few things about movies."Some do and some have the heads up their asses.
" Their opinion is at the same plane as that of most serious critics. So for anyone paying attention to what experienced people have to say, places like Cannes is always a good start."
By that reasoning the Oscars and the BAFTAs should be a far more authoritative word on excellence for if anybody has an unimpeachable body of experience it is the memebers of these groups.
"I can kinda assure you that if all you viewing was based on the Cannes preferences, you would not be so badly off.'
Actually I'm not so bad off just thinking for myself.
Truth is, many things in life have their centers, their capitals. Milan sets the tone for fashion, Detroit used to in cars, and of course every wine lover knows where HIS centers are. To compare Cannes to Academy Awards is like putting chateau Lafite on the same plane with Almaden Mountain Burgundy.
Your argument references the "experience" of the memebers of the Cannes audiences. I merely pointed out that the collective "experience" of the Brittish and American film academies are actually far excedes that of the audiences at Cannes. If one were to give *any* weight to the reaction of some individiduals at a screening at Cannes becuae of the "experience" of those audiences one would have to give even more creadence to awards like Oscars and BAFTAs which are clearly more representative of the opinions of "experience." I still choose to form my own independent opinions.
There is great gap between the two worlds. Each one has its specialty. Personally I always am much closer to the choices and nominations made at Cannes, no matter how "popular" the Oscars are.In forming your own independent opinion, do you see every film that comes out before deciding on what you like? Allow me not to believe you. I don't know how exactly you select the ones you eventually see, but I suspect your decisions are influenced by many sources.
We all want to consider ourselves "independent"... in reality that doesn't happen.
"There is great gap between the two worlds."These worlds being the audiences at Cannes and the memebers of the Brittish and American Film academies?
" Each one has its specialty."
Not sure what you mean here. The two film academies are made up strictly of acomplished working proffessionals of all catagories in the film industry. The audiences at Cannes are a mix of real pros and film neophytes. People like Paris Hilton and Donald Trump go to Cannes.
" Personally I always am much closer to the choices and nominations made at Cannes, no matter how "popular" the Oscars are."No surprise there. I think the reason is obvious.
"In forming your own independent opinion, do you see every film that comes out before deciding on what you like?"
I see as many as I can. There are many I pass up because i know the likelyhood of my liking a given flm because of it's style or content are slim. I don't pass judgement on a film without seeing it first. So yeah, I see a film before forming an opinion as to whether or not I like it.
"Allow me not to believe you."
Allow you? I can't stop you from believing what you want to believe.
" I don't know how exactly you select the ones you eventually see, but I suspect your decisions are influenced by many sources."
My choices are influenced by objective information about films. I don't avoid a film just because of negative reviews. OTOH I may go see a film based on a high recomendation from a friend that I would have otherwise not seen because of the facts behind that film."We all want to consider ourselves "independent"... in reality that doesn't happen."
It's not a black and white issue. My *opinions* on any film are very much indepenedent of other peoples' opinions.
I doubt many religious are worried about Brown's notions being taken as fact. I do think the negative reaction to The DVC is the result of anger over its providing a thin veneer of respectability for flaunting of deeply offensive distortions, if not open ridicule of Christian beliefs. And it seems exclusively aimed at Christians. You won't find any shows on the History Channel aimed specifically at disproving Islam, Judaism, or other major religions.Rationalizing it as "only a novel" is a weak defense. If you call someone's mother a vile name, saying "I was only kidding?" isn't likely to stem an angry response.
I mean really, it is just a movie. Did you think that Raiders of the lost ark was a slap int he face to non-christians? Maybe you thought 2001 was a slap in the face to paleontology.
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Its quite a commonly held viewpoint that Jesus married Mary.
And I also don't see how whether or not he did is really central to the beliefs of christianity.
Even William Blake wrote about Jesus' visit to Britain... "and did those feet..."
that Jesus married Mary.Maybe widely held among a very small fringe cult of bizzare reprobates but not beyond. Not only is the suggestion repugnant to Christians on its face it is simply counter to the very nature which is revealed of Jesus.These kinds of heresies end up making the Saviour of Mankind out to be some Hippie guru knocking up his gullible disciples.What kind of man,knowing he was going to die before his child would be born,then conceives one leaving the woman a widow with an infant and especially in that society?It is inconceivable first of all that Almighty God would copulate with a human being.That is about the most grotesque image of abuse i can imagine and coming from the loving creator it is simply totally beyond the furthurmost extreme of absurdity.The idea seems to have been formulated by French Monarchists who sought to add some trump to their aims to regain political power so they linked themselves with the Most High God by blood descent with this base farse and corrupt and depraved men make sport and profit from it,wow big suprise there.LOL.
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First, wasn't it god who impregnated the virgin (and apparently 14 years old) Mary?
If Jesus was god, the who was god?
I have never figured how Jesus kind of inherited the god part.
Lastly, why would it be repugnant to christians if Jesus had a sex life, since, if we are made in god's image, the presumably god has a sexual side. It does seem to be a common way of propagating almost every species.
The whole matter is only ridiculous. if jesus had brothers or not, or was it married or was he really the son of a virgin...
Everyone is entitle to his own view, and what you take for disrespect is only bigotry.
The Catholic church should first started to sell their wealth and pomp and their chachemir clothes and their fancy silks, and live like JC told them to do.
That would be a ground to be offended. No more no less.
merci pour l´indigestion!
Lire a bouquin pareil merite mes compliments, et m´évite de le faire moi-même, si la tentation venait a me prendre, ce dont je doute fort...
As for the rest of your words and thoughts, no surprise coming from you...
You are spot right.
From A-Z.
First off, only Catholics have "dogma" -- Christians have convictions.Second, "the life of Jesus" isn't what's so much under contention, rather His spiritual mastership/discipleship.
Finally, the "challenge" is puny, laughable.
(I base these comments on the book.)
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