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Analog Scott

In Reply to: A sudden ivory tower posted by Victor Khomenko on May 20, 2006 at 06:11:59:

"Do you get out of shape any time someone here mentions a particular critic and his opinion? Hardly."
Bent out of shape? No. If someone presents a critic's opinion as evidence of qualitiy then I tend to be dismisive. Just as I am dismisive of the audience reaction to Davinci Code at Cannes. OTOH a well thought out critique that has more than just an opinion of quality is something I will pay attention to. Laughter from a few unnnamed audience memebers, even at Cannes, doesn't really mean anything to me.

"Folks at Cannes do know a few things about movies."
Some do and some have the heads up their asses.
" Their opinion is at the same plane as that of most serious critics. So for anyone paying attention to what experienced people have to say, places like Cannes is always a good start."
By that reasoning the Oscars and the BAFTAs should be a far more authoritative word on excellence for if anybody has an unimpeachable body of experience it is the memebers of these groups.
"I can kinda assure you that if all you viewing was based on the Cannes preferences, you would not be so badly off.'
Actually I'm not so bad off just thinking for myself.

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One can always compare Oscars with Cannes, or Berlin... but one can do whole lot better. - Victor Khomenko 12:17:51 05/20/06 (3)
Truth is, many things in life have their centers, their capitals. Milan sets the tone for fashion, Detroit used to in cars, and of course every wine lover knows where HIS centers are. To compare Cannes to Academy Awards is like putting chateau Lafite on the same plane with Almaden Mountain Burgundy.
- I didn't actually compare the Oscars with Cannes. - Analog Scott 13:02:08 05/20/06 (2)
  Your argument references the "experience" of the memebers of the Cannes audiences. I merely pointed out that the collective "experience" of the Brittish and American film academies are actually far excedes that of the audiences at Cannes. If one were to give *any* weight to the reaction of some individiduals at a screening at Cannes becuae of the "experience" of those audiences one would have to give even more creadence to awards like Oscars and BAFTAs which are clearly more representative of the opinions of "experience." I still choose to form my own independent opinions.
  - Re: I didn't actually compare the Oscars with Cannes. - Victor Khomenko 13:30:20 05/20/06 (1)
    There is great gap between the two worlds. Each one has its specialty. Personally I always am much closer to the choices and nominations made at Cannes, no matter how "popular" the Oscars are.
    In forming your own independent opinion, do you see every film that comes out before deciding on what you like? Allow me not to believe you. I don't know how exactly you select the ones you eventually see, but I suspect your decisions are influenced by many sources.
    We all want to consider ourselves "independent"... in reality that doesn't happen.
    - Re: I didn't actually compare the Oscars with Cannes. - Analog Scott 15:14:24 05/20/06 (0)
      "There is great gap between the two worlds."
      These worlds being the audiences at Cannes and the memebers of the Brittish and American Film academies?
      " Each one has its specialty."
      Not sure what you mean here. The two film academies are made up strictly of acomplished working proffessionals of all catagories in the film industry. The audiences at Cannes are a mix of real pros and film neophytes. People like Paris Hilton and Donald Trump go to Cannes.
      
      " Personally I always am much closer to the choices and nominations made at Cannes, no matter how "popular" the Oscars are."
      No surprise there. I think the reason is obvious.
      
      "In forming your own independent opinion, do you see every film that comes out before deciding on what you like?"
      
      I see as many as I can. There are many I pass up because i know the likelyhood of my liking a given flm because of it's style or content are slim. I don't pass judgement on a film without seeing it first. So yeah, I see a film before forming an opinion as to whether or not I like it.
      
      "Allow me not to believe you."
      
      Allow you? I can't stop you from believing what you want to believe.
      
      " I don't know how exactly you select the ones you eventually see, but I suspect your decisions are influenced by many sources."
      
      My choices are influenced by objective information about films. I don't avoid a film just because of negative reviews. OTOH I may go see a film based on a high recomendation from a friend that I would have otherwise not seen because of the facts behind that film.
      "We all want to consider ourselves "independent"... in reality that doesn't happen."
      
      It's not a black and white issue. My *opinions* on any film are very much indepenedent of other peoples' opinions.

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