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In Reply to: You may choose to believe "the authorities" but when you range a bit wider... well... posted by clarkjohnsen on May 22, 2006 at 09:26:00:
Clark, I said believe what you want. I believe the man I talked with
in great detail. You've talked with no one. I don't believe it was a missile and I don't believe there was a bomb on board. I suppose we'll never know for sure.
Follow Ups:
...in early reports, before the government got its story together.Yep, dozens of witness found debris scattered over miles away from the "crash", but their voices are silent now, so far as the media are concerned. But you, you have that one guy you spoke to... and you're sticking with it!
Have you ever read what folks in OK City were saying on the day of the bombing, or seen them interviewed on TV? The record exists and a whole different story was emerging than the one we later became familiar with. Odd...
clark
...in early reports, before the government got its story together.Enlighten me Clark. What really happened?
...that upsetting people's perceptions is a messy business. Not only that, but I don't *know* what "really happened" -- except it wasn't like in the movie. (Although, what ever is?...)One friend wrote:
"The last thing in the world that real hijackers - hijackers who had allegedly planned and prepared their mission for years, at that! - wouild do is herd the passengers together in the back of the plane where they could form a dangerous and cohesive mob (not to mention unbalancing the aircraft), and then tell them to call home because they are going to die, so that they would then act out of sheer desperation!
"Real hijackers would tell the passengers to remain safely strapped in their seats and stay calm and everything will be OK.
"Cell phones don't work on jet planes. Where are the bills and records of all those alleged cell phone calls? There aren't any.
"The wreckage of flight 93 was strewn over eight miles."
Now, before I say anything more, take a look at the Reuters pic of the "crash" crater linked below. Gaze long and hard. And while I might ask you, "Where do do see the plane debris?" I should think the apparent dimensions alone would be sufficient to give pause. Now, please look.
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OK, now -- earlier I quoted you the witnesses and the next day's local newspaper reports. This time I'll rely on an article for reportage of events at the Cleveland airport that I'll bet you hadn't heard about, because after appearing in, again, the local papers they got subsumed into the Consensus Story we all believe... except for some weirdo dissenters like myself. Ready?
The Hollywood version of what happened to United Flight 93 has "set
the record straight," boasts the senior counsel for the 9-11
Commission, while news reports and evidence tell a very different
story.The recently released Hollywood film titled United 93 by Universal
Pictures is touted by John J. Farmer as being "closer to the truth
than every account the government put out before the 9-11
Commission's investigation." Farmer was an attorney general of New
Jersey and served as senior counsel for the 9-11 Commission."The facts of Sept. 11 are as simple as they are grim," Farmer
wrote. "The passengers and crew aboard United Airlines Flight 93
really were alone. They were all that stood between the hijackers
and the Capitol (or possibly the White House)," he wrote. "That is
the core reality of that morning and United 93 gets it right."But the facts about 9-11 are anything but simple and the egregious
omissions and distortions of the politically appointed 9-11
Commission, which Farmer worked with, have only further complicated
the story, as author David Ray Griffin points out in his analysis
of the commission's seriously flawed report.News reports and eyewitness testimony depict a very different fate
having befallen United Flight 93 than either of those portrayed in
the Hollywood film fabrication or the 9-11 Commission report.On the morning of 9-11, for example, the Associated Press reported
that United 93 made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins
International Airport. According to the official version, however,
Flight 93 crashed into a reclaimed mine near Shanksville,
Pennsylvania, shortly after 10 a.m.The AP story clearly reported that United had identified the plane
that landed at Cleveland as Flight 93. Cleveland's Mayor Michael R.
White reportedly said the plane had landed due to suspicion that it
had a bomb aboard.The most obvious problem with the official version that Flight 93
crashed at the site near Shanksville is that the photographs and
eyewitness accounts describe a crater too small for a such a large
plane to have crashed into. The crater at the reclaimed mine was
less than 20 feet across and about 6 feet deep. Yet the official
version claims that into this crater a Boeing 757 airliner
supposedly buried itself, the passengers, the cargo, and thousands
of gallons of jet fuel.Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap
yard overlooking the crash site, said she was the first person to
reach the crater. Lensbouer said that the crater was five to six
feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard.
She described the sound as "an explosion, like an atomic bomb" –
not a crash.Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, who was one of the first
people to arrive at the crash site, said it looked as if someone
took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped trash into it.
Miller said there was nothing visible of human remains and that it
was as if the plane had "stopped and let the passengers off before
it crashed." He said that the most eerie thing about the site was
that he hadn't seen a "single drop of blood."Miller said he was stunned at how small the crater was. "I stopped
being coroner after about 20 minutes," Miller said, "because there
were no bodies there."Asked how Flight 93 disappeared into the crater without leaving a
trace, Bob Leverknight, an active member of the Air National Guard
and correspondent with Somerset's Daily American, told AFP at the
newspaper's office, "It [the ground] liquefied." However, one of
the massive engines, Leverknight said, inexplicably bounced off the
ground and was found at a considerable distance in the woods.A second plane, identified as Delta 1989, was also reported to have
landed at the Cleveland airport due to fears of sabotage. At a news
conference, Mayor White identified the plane as a Boeing 767 flying
from Boston to Los Angeles. It may be more than coincidence that
both of the flights that allegedly struck the World Trade Center
also originated at Boston's Logan Airport.The Akron Beacon Journal reported that the mayor had stated that
200 passengers had been released from the plane at 11:15 a.m. The
airport in Cleveland had been evacuated at 10 a.m. "Airline
passengers and crew members were walking onto the highway to find
their rides as no cars were allowed into the passenger drop off and
pick up areas," the Journal reported.The following day, Sept. 12, the Journal reported that an
eyewitness had watched the Delta plane sitting near the I-X Center,
which is a facility at the southeast edge of the airfield. It also
reported that 78 passengers "were taken to NASA Glenn Research
Center to be interviewed by FBI agents." The NASA facility is at
the extreme northwest end of the airfield.American Free Press called the former mayor at his 45-acre alpaca
ranch, Seven Pines Alpacas in Newcomerstown, Ohio, to inquire about
the events at the Cleveland airport on 9-11. White, however, was
unwilling to discuss anything and cut the conversation short
saying, "I'm out of the interview business."____________________________________________________________
Let's stipulate that while that information may stir one's curiosity, it doesn't name very many names, as it were. So here's the site that details numerous press reports and witness testimony about those odd events in Cleveland not reported in the TimesPost Globe:
http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepress/Cleveland_Airport_Mystery.html
Let's move onto something else.
s
Doesn't disturb me at all. We are simply too far apart, on this subject, for any further dialogue to be worthwhile. My view has not changed. Regards, Wendell.
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