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Saw it yesterday in 3D at the Bose Imax Theatre. Sure wish I could have had a go at the script...

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clarkjohnsen

In Reply to: Superman Returns posted by Mr Underhill on July 17, 2006 at 11:41:35:

...both dialog and story.
My short analysis of what went wrong is this: So many set pieces were filmed at such great expense, the studio couldn't bear to just drop them. Hence the characters got shorter shrift in a movie surely limited to its current running time. I refer to two in particular: The car w/o brakes scene (couldn't happen!) and the plane in stall (they don't spin laterally, nor could passengers get knocked about so violently as depicted and survive). Neither one produced the intended drama and hence wasted time.
It is my firm conviction that the only special effect should be Superman himself.
And stupidly, the writers refused to deal with the problem of Clark and Superman missing for the same five-year period. How dense is Lois, among others, thought to be? Even a casual line like maybe, "So, Clark, did Superman take you with him ha ha?" Some acknowledgement, anything!
I thought Routh as the Man was excellent, but as Clark he was too big-brown-eyed and blown-haired. Also he seemed to have nothing to do at the paper, and where the hell was he living? "Have you found a place yet?" everyone asked. Why?
Lois: Where was Terri Hatcher when you needed her?
Finally I thoroughly disliked the idea of Lois being a single unwedded mom, with all that implied. And the sex joke was crude beyond belief.
Oh, right: the 3D. Quite unnecessary and artificial (it was after all digitally created), save for the first instance where the boy is just floating over the floor, full of wonder at himself. That one really worked! The Imax Thretre I must say had excellent, tight deep bass and that paid off, although not for all the extra $3.50 the ticket cost.
clark

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Come on, it's based on a comic book...(nt) - mkuller 21:06:20 07/19/06 (0)
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Re: Saw it yesterday in 3D at the Bose Imax Theatre. Sure wish I could have had a go at the script... - Wendell Narrod 14:31:23 07/19/06 (2)
How about the Shuttle being able to fire its engines without an external fuel tank and, then, the blast from the engines not destroying the plane's tail? Also, Kate Bosworth was much too young for the role.
- Add that to the list. And yes, I've always thought of Lois as somewhat older than Clark. nt - clarkjohnsen 14:42:27 07/19/06 (1)
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  - Terry Hatcher was too old... - RGA 08:41:11 07/20/06 (0)
    Thatis the thinking with the brain dead executives. We need 25 because it sells. It's just so dumb. Hatcher at least could play it to a level where you believe she had some toughness. Her role in Lois and Clark was quite good. In fact hell I'd have taken the Superman actor to boot. Routh actually looked like a manequin at some points -- I swear they air brushed him or something -- it was weird.
    All I can say is I wish Donner was hired to do this -- he at least had fun with the damn movies.
Sure wish I could have had a go at the script... - Mr Underhill 14:23:22 07/19/06 (2)
Yep, there are things I would have changed as well.
I agree that in reality the set pieces mentioned are not 'possible', and particularly disliked the failed-brakes scene; however, you could take it further:
Lois Lane would have been seriously injured in her being thrown around the plane, if not killed.
In slowing down the plane pushing on the nose would not have worked as dipicted/at all.
The pressures would have injured/killed some passengers.
How did he control the drop of the plane from vertical to horizontal.

....I didn't overlook these, just accepted this was a film based on a comic. These things didn't pull me out of unreality within the context of this movie....for me.

'And stupidly, the writers refused to deal with the problem of Clark and Superman missing for the same five-year period. '
Agreed. But it could have been dealt with by staggering the return of one or the other over an extended period....but that would have taken time.
'Finally I thoroughly disliked the idea of Lois being a single unwedded mom, with all that implied.'
In Superman II Superman gave his powers up and got in the sack with Lois. The child is a continuation of that plot line. I certainly wouldn't want either of my daughters to choose this as a model for a life decision; although I would suggest that most people have pre-marital sex today.
Martin
- Ah! I had not seen S II. But physics doesn't *have* to be disregarded. - clarkjohnsen 14:45:24 07/19/06 (1)
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  - You should see Superman II - RGA 08:47:52 07/20/06 (0)
    Not everyone but some of us like Superman II better than the original. Superman II had the oportunity to not spend SOOOOO much time recounting the original comic book story. It starts right off with the bad guys and the action. For me it works like Empire Strikes Back works against Star Wars.
    The set-up is faster - the threat is bigger and more deadly than Lex Luther becaus Superman is up against three people from his home world thus three SuperPeople.
    This second film has the luxury of spending the time on character set-ups than plot set-ups which makes it for me a much better film than the original and easily better than this stupid Superman Returns.
    Spiderman II, Superman II and Batman Begins are probably the three best Superhero movies I've seen so far.

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