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Yeah, Depps talented but I don't find his English accent in this

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In Reply to: Re: So Vidas Secas will force you to buy a new one? Well, Jeff, posted by Jeff Starrs on August 12, 2006 at 07:33:00:

film or that one about Peter Pan particularly convincing.
The key to speaking a foreign language well (as you no doubt know) isn't just mimicking the sounds, which he passably does, but getting the inflections corrrect, which he does not.
To do so, one has to assume the persona of a different culture, one has to FEEL like an Englishman, to in effect become one. That is why it is so rare to find a person speaking a foreign language very well and usually only kids that learn one can do so... they haven't the burden of their personas so heavily stamped.

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Re: I beg to disagree... - Jeff Starrs 09:03:01 08/12/06 (25)
..as a sarf londoner, I found his accent spot on.
Talking of accents, did you see Brad Pitt in Snatch doing an Irish accent?
Now THAT was catastrophic but the light mood helped him get away with it.
- Brad did better than Johnny. Sorry. nt - tinear 16:39:06 08/12/06 (24)
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  - Brad's Irish accent better than JD's British one? I guess you don't call yourself "tinear" for nothing ;-) nt - sjb 23:52:11 08/12/06 (23)
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    "Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
    - Lived in Ireland, visit England. Johnny like most Americans just - tinear 04:52:51 08/13/06 (21)
      can't get language inflection. He just doesn't get it right.
      Why an English actor isn't cast I don't know.
      - Re: Lived in Ireland, visit England. Johnny like most Americans just - Jeff Starrs 05:36:42 08/13/06 (20)
        
        In Reply to: Lived in Ireland, visit England. Johnny like most Americans just posted by tinear on August 13, 2006 at 04:52:51:
        
        "Why an English actor isn't cast I don't know."
        Because the film was constructed as a vehicle for him and, partly, by him...
        
        No it wasn't. And the accents were all wrong. - Analog Sott 08:38:55 08/13/06 (7)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Lived in Ireland, visit England. Johnny like most Americans just posted by Jeff Starrs on August 13, 2006 at 05:36:42:
        
        He was actually a bit of a last minute idea. Besides those were the worst French accents I have ever heard.
        
        Re: No it wasn't. And the accents were all wrong. - Jeff Starrs 10:59:38 08/13/06 (6)
        
        In Reply to: No it wasn't. And the accents were all wrong. posted by Analog Sott on August 13, 2006 at 08:38:55:
        
        Actually, he undertook the Disney project under the condition that he could develop the role his way and make changes to the script etc.
        His accent still made it for me, very Keith Richards.
        What was that about something 'French' in the film?
        
        Re: No it wasn't. And the accents were all wrong. - Analog Scott 17:34:00 08/13/06 (5)
        
        In Reply to: Re: No it wasn't. And the accents were all wrong. posted by Jeff Starrs on August 13, 2006 at 10:59:38:
        
        "Actually, he undertook the Disney project under the condition that he could develop the role his way and make changes to the script etc."
        Not that unusual for an actor of his status. None the less he joined the production rather late in it's development.
        
        "His accent still made it for me, very Keith Richards.
        What was that about something 'French' in the film?"
        
        The movie was based on a ride at Disneyland. Those pirates were French. The pirates in the movie had lousy French accents. Just my opinion.
        
        Re: The pirates in the movie had lousy French accents. - Jeff Starrs 03:35:54 08/14/06 (4)
        
        In Reply to: Re: No it wasn't. And the accents were all wrong. posted by Analog Scott on August 13, 2006 at 17:34:00:
        
        Nothing 'French' in the plot.
        Sorry.
        Must've just been the ride.
        ;0)
        Plot (Open in New Window)
        
        Really? You mean they also had English pirates in New Orleans?. - Analog Scott 08:05:48 08/14/06 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Re: The pirates in the movie had lousy French accents. posted by Jeff Starrs on August 14, 2006 at 03:35:54:
        
        I don't think so.
        
        Re: Where do you get New Orleans from?. - Jeff Starrs 10:51:47 08/14/06 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Really? You mean they also had English pirates in New Orleans?. posted by Analog Scott on August 14, 2006 at 08:05:48:
        
        It was set (the film, not the ride) in Port Royal.
        Which is in Jamaica.
        Which was under British rule.
        
        Re: Where do you get New Orleans from?. - Analog Scott 23:25:11 08/14/06 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Where do you get New Orleans from?. posted by Jeff Starrs on August 14, 2006 at 10:51:47:
        
        From some of th scenes that were directly lifted from the ride. The actual pirates of the Caribbean were often found in Nw Orleans. Hey don't get me wrong, I don't really care that they decided use English accents for what should have been French pirates. But given that they should have been French I think all arguments about dialects are kind of frivalous. Depp did a very good Kieth Richards accent.
        
        Re: Ok... - Jeff Starrs 00:51:55 08/15/06 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Where do you get New Orleans from?. posted by Analog Scott on August 14, 2006 at 23:25:11:
        
        ...let's leave it at that..
        ;0)
        
        Okay, have you or anyone else heard an English actor - tinear 06:40:37 08/13/06 (11)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Lived in Ireland, visit England. Johnny like most Americans just posted by Jeff Starrs on August 13, 2006 at 05:36:42:
        
        successfully "do" an American accent?
        Superb actors like Albert Finney (Miller's Crossing) and Michael Caine (Cedar House Rules) did alright but hardly convincingly American.
        
        Re: Ps - Jeff Starrs 11:47:29 08/13/06 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Okay, have you or anyone else heard an English actor posted by tinear on August 13, 2006 at 06:40:37:
        
        My vote for the worst American accent by an English actor goes to Alfred Molina in Spiderman 2.
        
        Re: Okay, have you or anyone else heard an English actor - Jeff Starrs 11:03:05 08/13/06 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Okay, have you or anyone else heard an English actor posted by tinear on August 13, 2006 at 06:40:37:
        
        What's that got to do with Depp's fine english accent?
        
        It means actors far above him could not. Anyhow, Americans are - tinear 04:37:01 08/14/06 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Okay, have you or anyone else heard an English actor posted by Jeff Starrs on August 13, 2006 at 11:03:05:
        
        lousy at foreign languages and your ear is probably so. No insult meant, Jeff, but that's an internationally recognized fact. You could be one of a very select few.
        
        Re: Yes... - Jeff Starrs 04:59:06 08/14/06 (0)
        
        In Reply to: It means actors far above him could not. Anyhow, Americans are posted by tinear on August 14, 2006 at 04:37:01:
        
        ..one of the select few.
        I guess being British helps to have a good ear for a, duh, good British accent.
        
        Yeah many times - Analog Scott 08:42:09 08/13/06 (6)
        
        In Reply to: Okay, have you or anyone else heard an English actor posted by tinear on August 13, 2006 at 06:40:37:
        
        Like every time I watch House. Pete Sellers in Being There. Do Aussies count? I can make a big list if they do. Toni Collette, Hugh Jackman, Rose Byrne etc etc.
        
        I'm adding Kate Winslett to your Aussies doing good American accents list. nt - sjb 09:00:52 08/13/06 (5)
        
        In Reply to: Yeah many times posted by Analog Scott on August 13, 2006 at 08:42:09:
        
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        "Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
        
        Re: They're half-way there anyway, with the accent (nt) nt - Jeff Starrs 11:05:55 08/13/06 (4)
        
        In Reply to: I'm adding Kate Winslett to your Aussies doing good American accents list. nt posted by sjb on August 13, 2006 at 09:00:52:
        
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        Half way? - Analog Scott 17:36:18 08/13/06 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Re: They're half-way there anyway, with the accent (nt) nt posted by Jeff Starrs on August 13, 2006 at 11:05:55:
        
        I bet the ones I cited would fool anyone who didn't already know.
        
        I think he meant they start out 50% closer to an American accent then a UK native does. nt - sjb 18:28:42 08/13/06 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Half way? posted by Analog Scott on August 13, 2006 at 17:36:18:
        
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        "Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
        
        Oh. Not so sure I would agree with that either - Analog Scott 20:54:43 08/13/06 (1)
        
        In Reply to: I think he meant they start out 50% closer to an American accent then a UK native does. nt posted by sjb on August 13, 2006 at 18:28:42:
        
        I know that not all Aussies sound like the Crocadile hunter but half way to American? Not the ones I know. Yeah, some of the ones who have been here quite a while. Nicole Kidman and Naomi Watts have almost lost their Aussie accents. But I didn't even list them. The Aussies I listed also do perfect English accents.
        
        Aussies can do English, probably 'cause many have to study elocution - tinear 04:39:04 08/14/06 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Oh. Not so sure I would agree with that either posted by Analog Scott on August 13, 2006 at 20:54:43:
        
        in school.
        Depp, in his way, is a more refined Tony Curtis in "Spartacus."
    - Re: LOL! My feeling's exactly... - Jeff Starrs 01:26:22 08/13/06 (0)
      ....having also lived in the Emerald Isle a while.

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