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• Try smiling while you post - Victor Khomenko 11:03:19 08/19/06 (3)
  In Reply to: looks like you'd rather take cheap shots at me than deal with the content of my post posted by Analog Scott on August 19, 2006 at 10:42:01:

  There is difference between a cheap shot and friendly joke... and my post landed under yours by pure chance - it could have very well been his!

  But I am sure you know what the crutch is, and a story with a crutch is a bad story. I had not been exposed to the crutched stories until I came to the US... believe it or not...
  

  
  
  
  

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  • you are right. I should have included a big :-) - Analog Scott 11:24:41 08/19/06 (2)
    In Reply to: Try smiling while you post posted by Victor Khomenko on August 19, 2006 at 11:03:19:

    I didn't take your cheap shot as mean spirited. Sorry if it looked that way. Mostly I was disappointed that you blew off the content of my post. I'm still wondering about this quadropalegic marathon runner movie.

    
    What is an is not a good story.... I don't know that you can pin it down. IMO almost any story can be good or bad depending on how it is told. Art is is the expression more than in the content. We can all spout basic truths, Life is precious, life is hard, love is beautiful etc etc. It means little just to say it. The art is in making us feel it in seemingly profound ways. I don't think there is a set of limits in terms of genre or story line in which this can happen. I can say "he layed dead in his mother's arms" and I can look at Michelangelo's Pieta. The content is the same. One can even argue the content is almost cheap and cliche. But I suspect you get my point.
    
    

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    • No harm done - Victor Khomenko 12:13:54 08/19/06 (1)
      In Reply to: you are right. I should have included a big :-) posted by Analog Scott on August 19, 2006 at 11:24:41:

      Well, what you seem to be arguing that there is room for situations that normally do not happen in real life, or are improbable, and I am not denying that.

      My point was about the degree that such stories are present in the Hollywood movies. My impression is they are disproportionally presented. But when you start talking about things like disproportionate, that enters the subjective area, that is why I don't see much reason to argue about it. Heck, before coming here I would have hard time believing adults would be watching the James Bond movies, let alone the LoTR... cultural gap, I presume...

      The quadraplegic remark was sarcastic, not meant to be taken literally, but I don't think you should deny that is a popular Amercan theme.
      

      
      
      
      

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      • Underdog stories are moderately popular but - Analog Scott 13:02:22 08/19/06 (0)
        In Reply to: No harm done posted by Victor Khomenko on August 19, 2006 at 12:13:54:

        I don't see them dominating American movies.Not to argue. As you say it's hard to argue. I confess I never saw it as an American phenomenon but maybe it is. I would say that the majority of those films are sappy shallow and cheaply manipulative but there are some really good ones. Interestingly enough they are often refered to as "Rocky" stories. IMO Rocky was a great movie. It seems most people have forgotten that Rocky lost the fight. His victory was quite human, quite "normal." He found love. I can't remember any severely handicaped people going on to victory movies. But I don't see every movie that comes out.
        
        

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