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In Reply to: Stepping on your own rake? posted by Victor Khomenko on October 27, 2006 at 15:17:00:
"***Saying you did not "like" a film is one thing, saying it is "bad" because you did not like it is arrogant,
WOW! Put differently, there is nothing bad in life, only things you dislike... ain't that kinda like "arrogant"?"No saying one's personal opinion is objective and definitive when it flies in the face of the body of expert opinions would be arrogant.
"Now you got me utterly confused... you make it sound like many people liking something makes it good... but hey, then someone not liking it makes it bad... or does it not?"It does appear you are confused.
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"Which raises the question: Did all these people get it wrong, and Tin get it right? Or did Tin get it wrong, and all these people right? "So now, suddenly, good and bad is the matter of voting. Lovely... no wonder AuPh keeps getting orgasms over his beloved LoTR - that one collected whole lot more money than Bicycle Thief."
To adegree it really is just a matter of voting. What makes art objectively good if it isn't a body of well inofrmed people simply saying "That's good?" If you have an alternative means of measuring art please fill us in.
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***No saying one's personal opinion is objective and definitive when it flies in the face of the body of expert opinions would be arrogant.Perhaps you could show me where someone here claimed his opinion was definitive?
And we are all free to pick the experts who agree with our opinions.
It was your response to Mr. Garvin's comments on what determines excellence that I was commenting on. If Mr. Garvin mistakenly took tinear's comments on the film as definitive when they were merely meant to be a personal opinion then why not just say that? Your response was about the topic of excellence v.taste. You seem to dispute the idea that in the end artistic excellence is a matter of popular "vote" amoung experts. I ask again if it isn't that then what determines objective artistic excellence? What makes one "vote" more significant and authoritative than a body of "votes?" If it isn't "votes" at all then what is it? Note that I am using your term "vote" in place of critical opinion. that's what we are really talking about, peoples' critical opinions and their objective merits. This isn't merely a challenge to you. I think it is a topic tht is complex and worthy of discussion. I' like you (I think) do believe there are some objective standards of excellence in art that trancend taste and individual opinions. I don't believe art is good just because some idiot or even a large group of idiots like it.
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