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In Reply to: Re: Now that is interesting posted by rico on November 13, 2006 at 07:54:26:
Terminator's woman survived because of her spunk, resourcefullness, and her strength, which she discovered during the course of the film. A tribute to women, given that most films make them victims, generally stupid and dead, surviving only by luck. Titanic's heroine survived because of a man - he let her stay on the floating furniture while he sunk to his watery grave, and he led her to safety from the giant tomb which was to be the ship. Her survival had less to do with her than him. In these respects, I think the films are different. I would argue that in that respect Terminator is more akin to Halloween.
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Have to agree with Rico. In fact, most people who hated "Titanic" found the "Rose" character too independent, self-confident, selfish and resourceful for a girl of her age, in her class, in the Edwardian age. Remember that it was Rose who decided not to get on a lifeboat when she had a chance, setting up the situation where Jack was forced to wait in the water. And she saved Jack from being handcuffed in the bowels of the ship, so his survival up to that point was solely a result of her bravery.I don't know anyone who hates Titanic because "Rose" was too weak !
She was British, though she ACTED independent. The man was an American, so we know that she relied on him greatly. Probably a parallel in that somewhere.But I digress. I think that she decided not to get on a lifeboat is less important than why she decided not to get on a lifeboat. Because of "her man." Why did she rescue him from the bowels of the ship? Because of "her man." She ACTED independent, but she needed "her man." (said in my best Southern accent)
And I did not hate Titanic.
Is a man who makes sacrifices to rescue "her woman" weak? Curious double standard there, usually adhered to by lesbian feminists.
Linda Hmilton's (I'll ignore the fact that she can't act) strength and resourcefulness CAME from Reese. She starts off by telling him she can't even balance her chekbook. It's only over time that she learns to make a field dressing and shoot a gun and, later, defeat the Terminator.Winslett's Rose swims from her "raft" to get a whistle, blows it to be rescued, hides from Cal and his nenchman on the Calpurnia, has a successful life as an aviator, actrsss, etc., and is plucky enough to keep the diamond necklace for 84 years.
"plucky enough to keep the diamond necklace for 84 years"Sure. Then she chucks it overboard, later to be "discovered" by some greedy treasure hunter who buys himself the most expensive BAT gear, when she could have instead appeared on Antiques Roadshow, been quoted a seven figure value, drummed up some publicity, sold it at auction for seven figures with a smiling Keno brother (there are three, after all), then helped her poor granddaughter through cancer treatments. Those British think they are soooooooooo superior.
not only coul she have funded any great charity of her choice she could have saved the folks trying to find the damn thing from a lot of trouble and expense. I hate Titanic
If you hate Titnaic as it was released, you really should see the "original ending" Cameron filmed. Old Rose's behavior in that regarding the disposition of the diamond will really get your blood boiling. It was truly an offensive and abysmal ending which would have cost the movie $100's of millions at the box office.
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