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In Reply to: Re: Now that is interesting posted by Dalton on November 12, 2006 at 21:55:14:
lets review the two movies.1. We meet a male protagonist who is poor and displaced but very resourceful and smart.
2. We meet a female protagonist who is wide eyed, innocent and dripping with unfullfilled potential.
3. Unlikely circumstance throws the two together.
4. The two are then persued for the bulk of the movie by a relentless deadly force.
5. We see a series of narrow escapes.
6. During the course of the chase the two protagonists fall in love
7. In the end the male protagonist dies for the sake of saving the female protagonist.
8. The female protagonist goes on to live a full life fullilling the promise of their great potential having been put in touch with her potential by the chance encounter with the poor displaced male protagonist and the hardship of the relentless persuit they had nearly survived together.
These movies are soooo much the same basic movie it is laughable. Cameron couldn't break from his adolencent fanatasy. Because Cameron was stuck in this rut he failed to portay the true horror of the real situation the people on the Titanic faced which had nothing to do with narrow escapes from a relentless force.
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Up until point 6 you described a lot of romance movies. Other than the male lead dying, you can even use those exact (vague) points to describe Disney's "Aladdin".The Terminator is a science fiction film with a time-travelling robot. Titanic is a 1912 historical drama. Any connection you are making is really specious to me.
"Up until point 6 you described a lot of romance movies."hmmm a lot? Name 10. Given there are thousands of romantic movies thats should be easy.
"Other than the male lead dying, you can even use those exact (vague) points to describe Disney's "Aladdin".
Aladdin? lets see.
"1. We meet a male protagonist who is poor and displaced but very resourceful and smart." OK other than displaced. Aladin is very much in his element. so I'll give you half a point.
"2. We meet a female protagonist who is wide eyed, innocent and dripping with unfullfilled potential." OK...
"3. Unlikely circumstance throws the two together." yes.
"4. The two are then persued for the bulk of the movie by a relentless deadly force." Nope. It all falls apart here. they face a common enemy but they are not persued together by a relentless deadly force.
"5. We see a series of narrow escapes." Nope. The two protagonists aren't even together during the bulk of the action much less making narrow escapes together while being persued by a relentless deadly force. while the antagonist is a threat to each that threat is nothing of the same nature as the one found in Terminator and Titanic.
"6. During the course of the chase the two protagonists fall in love' OK except there is no chase. But yes they do fall in love and then out of love and then back in love. wait, doesn't Aladdin after finding the genie come in under false pretenses to try to make Jasmine fall in love only to get busted by the antogonist who is trying to manipulate the situation so he can marry Jasmine and become king? Sorry, the plot at that point is sooo far removed from the basic points I cited that I think your comparison totally falls apart.
"7. In the end the male protagonist dies for the sake of saving the female protagonist." Aside from the fact that Aladdin has by this point taken a radically different plot direction, this is a huge point in the similarities between Terminator and Titanic. It's one thing to find movies that have similar set ups at first, it's another to find movies that match point by point from begining to end.
"8. The female protagonist goes on to live a full life fullilling the promise of their great potential having been put in touch with her potential by the chance encounter with the poor displaced male protagonist and the hardship of the relentless persuit they had nearly survived together.'
Same as above.I commend your attempt to refute my point. The Aladdin idea was pretty good really even if it doesn't hold up under closer scrutiny.
You're putting much more effort into this digressive argument than it warrants. The point is "Titanic" suffered a backlash in the imdb ratings. I'm not trying to claim it's a great movie, any more than "The Poseidon Adventure" is. I simply enjoyed it for what it was. And to me, this somewhat accurate recreation of a 1912 transportation accident (with fictional romance or without) isn't anything like the time-travelling armageddon science fiction fantasy, "The Terminator". That's all I'm saying.
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