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In Reply to: Through my wife fumes I smell a confusion... it is tin, not Tin! posted by Victor Khomenko on January 17, 2007 at 17:48:36:
"However, the fact primitive sex and violence do figure very prominently in American films hardly needs any proof, and yet you let it slide for some reason."Not at all. Had the topic been sex in American cinema, my rants would have been longer. I'll save you the time of a search. In another thread, moons ago, I posted that I felt that Foreign films are much more mature relative to sex than American films. For example, I cannot recall seeing what I would call gratuitous sex or nudity in a Foreign film. I recall a French film, the name escapes me, which was entirely about the filming of a sex scene in a movie. The film was very contemplative of the subject, not made to stimulate the audience. I shudder to think what that movie would have been had it come from Hollywood. Foreign films I have seen generally treat sex with more maturity than American films.
"I would submit to you that your children are hurt much harder by watching the endless parade of idiots and deviants outdoing each other in mutilation and brutal sex than by observing Depardieu falling in love with his neighbor."
I would never let my kids watch those films. My original point was if not for Hollywood and it's willingness to release films like Toy Story, Nemo, et al., then my son and I would not watch films together. I think there is value in that, regardless of the ultimate merit of the film itself. As I wrote in another thread, I recently watched Children of Heaven, a subtitled Iranian film. As I was watching, he came down to the basement to play, stopped in front of the television and watched with me. He cannot read subtitles. But the concept of watching kids agonize over shoes, together with the beautiful imagery, drew him to the film. I think that Children of Heaven is probably, on a critical level, better than any children's film coming from Hollywood. But those films are few and far between, and I thank Hollywood for producing those types of films.
Adultery in French films. Perhaps an overstatement. What I have noticed is that adultery seems to be treated as a lifestyle choice, rather than potentially destroying a family, particularly with kids involved. That is fine for me. I know better, so I can get past that issue and enjoy the film. But my kids are still learning. Which is why they do not see the litany of violence and sex that comes from Hollywood.
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***Not at all. Had the topic been sex in American cinema, my rants would have been longer. I'll save you the time of a search. In another thread, moons ago, I posted that I felt that Foreign films are much more mature relative to sex than American films. For example, I cannot recall seeing what I would call gratuitous sex or nudity in a Foreign film. I recall a French film, the name escapes me, which was entirely about the filming of a sex scene in a movie. The film was very contemplative of the subject, not made to stimulate the audience. I shudder to think what that movie would have been had it come from Hollywood. Foreign films I have seen generally treat sex with more maturity than American films.You have my strong agreement here. But your last paragraph is a dream. It sounds like your child is still quite young, but believe me (or don't, if you wish) that as he gets older, it will be more and more difficult to control his access - after all at school there will be endless discussions of the latest crap chidren watched, and he will resent being an outsider... plus at all those sleep-over parties... only Devil himself knows what kids do there. Some watch porn and do oral sex - there was that story about very young kids having such parties.
Bottom line - sooner or later you WILL have to let him come in touch with the ugly cesspool reality.
"Bottom line - sooner or later you WILL have to let him come in touch with the ugly cesspool reality."No doubt. I only want a crack at him first before "they" do.
It is a hard one. I know.. we went down that path. Our daughter read at 3, and at 4 she read serious adult books. For long time her TV time was controlled and we did our best to make her love classical culture, good literature, music, etc.But I am telling ya... at some point it all just falls apart. The allure of pop culture and peer pressure are things you can't really fight. So she still has some of what we gave her, but she definitely went in her own direction.
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