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In Reply to: Pan's Labyrinth posted by tunenut on January 20, 2007 at 17:44:00:
Could you/ would you take a 11 y/o boy to see this? Bearing in mind that his favorite movie is Saving Private Ryan...I've heard that this film is rated "R" for violence...My son has a fascination with anything fantasy and especially war films...We relented ages ago on SPR...He can recite dialog from the film....
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> Could you/ would you take a 11 y/o boy to see this?>Could be borderline child abuse.
It is much more graphic and violent than Children of Men.
Spoiler alert............
Some examples:
A guy gets his face pounded in with the bottom of a coke bottle while you watch his face turn to mush.
Another guy gets his leg amputated - you see the first saw cut through the skin.
Graphic set-up for torture scenes describing what will be done to him - then you see the guy's beat-up face and cut up hand which resulted as he begs to die.
Another guy's mouth is cut open with a knife so he looks like The Joker.
Bloody miscarriage scene.
A young girl is gut-shot at close range and lies on the ground bleeding out as she dies.Maybe when he's 12....
While Pan's Labyrinth has moments of intense violence, repelent acts, Children of Men has the dehumanizing element of street warfare and seperate acts of brutality which seem almost comically desensitized (the murder of Michael Caine's character, for instance). These tend to stick with one longer, like real graphic war footage.The reason Pan's Labyrinth seems more violent is that the moments of violence are quite direct, up close and personal; since you can't get away from these acts of inhumanity it seems that much more intense, but it's never gratuitous, IMIO.
> > > "Could be borderline child abuse." < < <
No offense, but kids are exposed to more bloodletting violence in video games these days. There are certainly disturbing elements in Pan's Labyrinth, and that's why younger children should not be taken, but older kids, say over the age of 9 or 10, with one or both parents on hand to explain the allegorical nature of the film is another matter.
> > > "Maybe when he's 12...." < < <
I doubt the film will wait that long if he wants to catch it on the big screen, but you may be right; he may be too sensitive for it.
AuPh
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Don't piss on my shoe and tell me it's raining.
(nt)
It was too violent for me, but then, I'm 59
Are you asking folks how old they are, how squeemish they are or what? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.Pan's Labyrinth wasn't as disturbing to me as Children of Men violence-wise and far less disturbing than war movies like Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan which portrayed historic events and the physically sickening aspects of war accurately. In a fantasy such as Pan's Labyrinth once you get past the realitic depiction of occasionally violent acts the rest of the time you're suspending disbelief.
Of course, YMMV, but age-wise, we aren't that far apart.
AuPh
Fantasy violence is one thing, but this was a whole series of unrelenting gross-out real world violence, very brutal stabbings, close-ups of point blank shootings, terrorizing prisoners etc etc. If you are going to take an 11-year old to this, then you might as well take him to an R-rated horror movie like Hostel or Saw.Maybe some 11-year olds are less put off by the blood and gore than 59 year olds, but goodness.
The difference is that Pan's Labyrinth used violence in a humanizing story, a fable, and admittedly sad, but it doesn't play off of vioolence just for the sake of thrilling the audience with gore as a prurient interest. There are weaknesses to the story in terms of suspension of disbelief which I have outlined below, but the story is rich with symbolism and well done, IMHO. It is after all an adult fable and you will have to determine whether an 11 year old in your care is mature enough to handle the story and it more visceral, graphic elements, but it's still worth seeing (more engrossing than grossing per se, although the latter may be an unintended double entendre based on the box office take thus far).AuPh
...I think that Children of Men was more jarring in it's realistic depiction of house to house street warfare even though it was less graphic in terms of violence and torture.> > > "Could you/ would you take a 11 y/o boy to see this? Bearing in mind that his favorite movie is Saving Private Ryan...I've heard that this film is rated "R" for violence...My son has a fascination with anything fantasy and especially war films...We relented ages ago on SPR...He can recite dialog from the film.... " < < <
Take him; I think you'll both enjoy the experience.
AuPh
(nt)
...but if anything unplanned did occur no one ever told me. I'm pretty sure that if something happened (and wasn't aborted or raised without my involvement unbeknownst to me) then the child/children would be adult by now anyway. Ummm... BTW, how old did you say you were and who was your mother! ;^)Cheers,
AuPh
Oh, not to say I didn't love it at 44. It is subtitled though
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