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In Reply to: Flags of Our Fathers or hatever-junk posted by Duilawyer on February 5, 2007 at 07:09:14:
Clint Eastwood is mediocre & overrated (nt)
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Name a better western. Regards,J.R.
"One Eyed Jacks" and "The Searchers" are far better.
So, what did you think of Showtime's "Dexter?" Regards,J.R.
I love "Bronco Billy" but do not consider it a "western" as the term is generally used, here and elsewhere. And I did not see "Dexter".
The Big Country, Shane, Once Upon a Time in the West ... that's three. (nt)
That would be "Once Upon a Time in the West," my favorite Henry
Fonda movie and my favorite spaghetti western. "How can you trust a
man who can't trust his pants?""Shane?" Let's do a remake with Steven Siegal instead of Alan Ladd.
"Big Country?" Well, it's got Jean Simmons. I'd watch her peel
potatoes.Regards,
J.R.
"They Call Me Trinity"*slowly shuffles feet sideways off the screen just like a Josey Wales scene transition*
-Tom §.
Well, anyway, I saw enough, like through that interminable scene in
the bar, to recognize that it was still as lame as the first time I
saw it. Regards,J.R.
must have missed it.
filmmakers. They must know something you don't.
How so?
what are there qualifications? I use this criteria on all types of subjects ,not just films. What is wrong with that? How do you judge opinions on anything? Just someones personal opinion on something is not good enough for me without some substance. If the comment is prefaced with this is only my personal opinion that would add some credibility. By the way this is only my opinion.
clear several hurdles. First off, someone must be paying to read their opinions or their work would be terminated. Second, an editor must have decided at some point that the critic has strong opinions, well bolstered by logic, and that he can express them clearly and entertainingly. In order for the critic to be taken seriously, he must have encyclopediac knowlege of film and formal film criticism.
Last, of course, is whether or not the person has a more elusive quality: taste. It is what distinguishes a connoisseur in many fields.
If I read you correctly, your objections to critics equally could apply to pretty much any artist: hell, anyone is qualified to throw paint upon a canvas, film his "vision," or cook up a fancy meal.
Yes, I mean what I am implying, tacitly. Film criticism, like all serious criticism of the arts, may be elevated to art itself.
There HAS to be more to it than just being published.
someone who puts thereself into a public position of opinions needs to be looked at precisely like what you say. They are giving their own taste or personal take on something (no matter what it is) and to me it is nothing more then that. I have no problem with someone giving an opinion on something, what bothers me sometime is the absoluteness that many of these criticics take in there comments. That was what I was trying to say. Thats all.
Jeffrey, Gene?
It is not a prerequisite to be a film maker in order to voice opinions on this board - your argument is lazy(nt)
as a film critic.
I bet he returns his Oscars immediately.
Ya think?
Heck when the academy reads your post they will certainly turn their noses up on Letters from Iwo Jima.
anal
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I'm sure if you name them the academy will hold an emergency general meeting to discuss recanting anything on your list
Also, Marty...
Grins
You are simply wrong about all the others.
:-)
Quit belaboring your point about Award "recanting" - this is a forum to exchange ideas & opinions(nt)
Now if you have some arguments that Million dollar baby or Letters from Iwo Jima are signs of a mediocre director give it your best shot.
Admittedly - I have not seen "Letters from Iwo Jima" but that specific film was not the centerpiece of my point.I did shell out $10.50 for "Flags Of Our Fathers" and like many Eastwood films, it was on the same level as bad television. If "Letters from Iwo Jima" is the greatest film ever made, for me it won't erase the mediocrity of his body of work.
Listed below are films of Eastwood's that I have seen, that weren't completely without merit (as a Ron Howard film etc.) but still, pretty much stunk up the joint.
I consider bad films taken from Eastwood's directorial resume prior to "Letters from Iwo Jima".
** Flags of Our Fathers ** Blood Work ** Space Cowboys ** True Crime ** Absolute Power ** The Rookie ** Bird ** Heartbreak Ridge ** Honkytonk Man ** Firefox ** Bronco Billy ** The Gauntlet**
I mean...OUCH!
Analog, I admit Million Dollar Baby wasn't bad . The directing was adequate but Eastwood's limited acting abilities undermined that film for me.
Not for a minute, or even a second did I believe that Eastwood was Frankie Dunn. Once again he used the full gamut of his three facial expressions. One a blank look, the other two, sneers. It wasn't a great film because of his own performance.
nt
Is that all you have to say after reading my little essay? I learn nothing from you! nt
I'd say a very little essay. What do you want? you pretty much just made a list of movies. You don't really say much about them other than you think they represent a body of mediocre work. I'm not impressed. Eastwood has IMO made at least four outstanding movies and at least a few other movies with merit that rises well above the level of mediocre. I would concede that it took Eastwood time to mature into an excellent director but IMO and in the opinion of many other people he did do just that.
Should be fun.
Letters from Iwo Jima, Million Dollar Baby, Mystic River and The Unforgiven. The more interesting question would about the other movies of merit I was refering to. But here is some evidence as to what other film makers think of Eastwood.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000142/awards
Yeah, those are the accolades bestowed upon a "mediocre" artist by his peers. Like I said before, I'm sure he is crushed by the negative comments on this forum. To be praised here by certain regulars is the real goal of all film makers and the true mark of an excellent film maker. All those awards I cited on IMDb are meaningless drivel based on ill informed and simply unimportant peoples' opinions. Not like the people here.
mediocre adjective a mediocre performance ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish; informal OK, so-so, 'comme ci, comme ça', plain-vanilla, fair-to-middling, no great shakes, not up to much, bush-league.
sincerely beanz
Hoolywood ain't Cinecitta, you know...
OK - Before we start to determine what 2% of Hollywood films you (Victor) deem as worthwhile Hollywood movies, and the 98% you judge as unworthy, let's look at Eastwood, the Directors work....A majority of his work has an abundance of rape, whippings, torture sadism, and other sordid leanings . Cornpone at best. It irks me to see , in my lifetime, Eastwood go from a one dimensional cowboy to a respected and heralded director. Out of his numerous films he's been involved with he's gotten it remotely right only once- and that was " The Unforgiven". Most of his stuff is un-watchable. Eastwood is no artist!
If you have a problem with recent Hollywood films (as I do) that's fine, we are in agreement, but it doesn't mean I have to accept crap from Eastwood as quality and not be able to sound off about it.
I am no prude- but I don't like to view extreme violence, sexual and otherwise - like whippings, molestation, gang rape, castration etc...unless it's meant to support the story. Not to titillate the repressed viewer. These themes are the "go to" ideas that center around the Eastwood script. Let the "Romans" watch this grime.I hope this was a rebuttal to your comment Oreo.
suggest you stay away from Bob Guccione's 'Caligula'. ~AH
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