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In Reply to: Elizabeth I posted by Duilawyer on February 26, 2007 at 21:09:42:

so modern screenwriters have a ton of material to draw from and paraphrase from Elizabethan English
The most painstakingly historically accurate recreation of the Elizabeth 1 story still remains the Glenda Jackson TV series from the 1970's
If you want to watch a film in *Elizabethan English* then there's the Tempest ( Shakespeares final play ) as adapted by Peter Greenaway as "Prosperos Books", but be warned; it's very heavy fare
Grins

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isit possible, or even likely, these are the real words used at the time? - Duilawyer 07:31:52 02/27/07 (8)
Or is that ridiculous?
- Some modern paraphrasing perhaps - DWPC 16:51:25 02/27/07 (0)
  I seriously doubt any of the dialogue in the HBO production is quoted but I recall reading that E1 was the first English monarch to openly address the public, as she's shown doing when they prepare for the Spanish to invade. I'm sure some of her speaches were at least loosely transcribed, so a few key phrases there may be based on her actual speech.
- No; only a filmmaker like Greenaway would be brave enough - grinagog 14:55:13 02/27/07 (6)
  to use Shakespearian English unabridged
  Grins
  - And he probably knows everyone who watched the film to the end by first name - Victor Khomenko 15:29:48 02/27/07 (5)
    I probably got about 20% of text, but I simply treated it as background music to interesting images.
    - Re: I think that was only ever you, me and Peter Greenaway, Victor - grinagog 16:11:20 02/27/07 (4)
      and agreed, the text is so impenetrable that I found myself just "switching off" and enjoy the scenery in this film
      What might salvage this on DVD would be a choice of alternative narrative tracks; like Eubonics, Gangsta Rap, Noo Yawk + Noo Jawsey-eez, Cockney English rhyming slang and what the Scots call *talking shite * as per Trainspotting. Maybe even Beat generation slang as per Kerouac and Ginsberg
      "Full fathoms five my father lies, his bones of coral made" could become:
      Prospero, like gettin' in DOWN in the 'hood with all us chillens, aw reet ? Hoots Mon, see you down the Rubbidy Dub with the Trouble and Strife. Just TOO PHAT Ariel, you finger poppin' Daddy at five fathoms, tangerine flake kandy-coated coral
      Shakespeare would approve
      Grins
      - LOL! BTW, what's up with him these days? - Victor Khomenko 16:29:44 02/27/07 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Re: I think that was only ever you, me and Peter Greenaway, Victor posted by grinagog on February 27, 2007 at 16:11:20:
        
        I mean - I can see some activity on imdb, but he seems to have disappeared, practically speaking. Last one I saw was Pillow Book. Did you see 8 1/2 Women? Worth a buck for rent?
        
        Re: So Greenaway combined Fellinis 8 1/2 + City of Women? - grinagog 18:32:00 02/27/07 (2)
        
        In Reply to: LOL! BTW, what's up with him these days? posted by Victor Khomenko on February 27, 2007 at 16:29:44:
        
        now *that* I have to see!
        Err, no, I didn't like the Pillow Book at all and thought he'd *lost it* so haven't bothered with 8 1/2 Women
        If you take the plunge please post your opinion!
        Grins
        
        Added to the queue... my wife hates him, so I guess a few nights on a couch are in order - Victor Khomenko 20:03:46 02/27/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: So Greenaway combined Fellinis 8 1/2 + City of Women? posted by grinagog on February 27, 2007 at 18:32:00:
        
        Will be a while before I get to it, though.
        I think he simply lost track of what he wanted to do. He started as a painter, and it seems movies have been his secondary love. He brought beautiful art to some of them, but perhaps never understood that films needed few other things to become a whole.
        The Pillow Book was his low point, I hope.
        
        Greenaway has the heart and soul of an Artist - grinagog 02:03:25 02/28/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Added to the queue... my wife hates him, so I guess a few nights on a couch are in order posted by Victor Khomenko on February 27, 2007 at 20:03:46:
        
        so that could take him in any direction
        Mao was a poet; Hitler painted watercolors
        Josef Stalin had his train set ( or so I hear )
        Grins

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