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In Reply to: depends on the print and transfer. posted by Analog Scott on April 2, 2007 at 18:14:22:
I doubt most HTs will ever come close to movie theaters for the video experience simply because of the screen size; though I'm already critiquing the movie theater screen image vs. what I see in the home.
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Greetings Oscar;Im presently spending some spare time looking through the forums today and duly noted you have the EMM Labs switchman and while Ive gone to there website I come away scratching my head. My question is twofold what is this piece used for and more importantly is it sonically beneficial.
Any info you can share is appreciated.
Regards,
/// Tim W. ///
At the time, I only had a preamp/processor which did not have 6 channel analog bypass (which you need for MC SACD or DVD-A). The Meitner was one of the few solutions available at the time which allowed me to play back multiple multichannel sources (one being the pre/pro's DD/DTS decoding of DVD or satellite). As a preamp, it kicked the butt out of my pre/pro so there were sonic benefits for music stereo playback too (I have an integrated HT/stereo system but I'm looking at going with separate systems because of tubes).A Blu-ray/HD DVD player with decent MC analog outputs also turns out to be a good fit using the Meitner in lieu of spending beaucoup bucks on an HDMI 1.3-capable Preamp/processor.
YMMV. If I'm starting over, I'd be taking a real hard look at an HDMI 1.3-capable version of the Halcro SSP-100.
Thanks oscar,So essentially its a high quality multichannel preamp.
I can understand your feelings about the rapid change in digital processing which is one of the main reasons I prefer to use AV Receivers. Putting the money into this part of the system seems like trying to catch the proverbial $$$ moving bullet, I know the Meitner products are highly respected,. The Halcro sounds tempting, as long as the software is upgradable. There's no " free lunch" in this industry.
Thanks for the detailed explanation!
Regards,
/// Tim W. ///
Grins
When I saw Letters from Iwo Jima with my friend, the dood sitting next to her let out many a loud fart during key scenes; guy sitting two rows in front of me wouldn't stop coughing through the whole movie; asshole behind us couldn't stop crinkling his packet of raisinettes or whatever he was eating. As usual, my shoes stuck to the ossified soft drink coating the floor and I was paranoid about the last crowd's junior mints sticking to my ass.Every time I go to the movies I find myself wondering why I subject myself to this, no matter how good the movie is.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
You're right about the sound. Dolby or DTS surround in a properly set-up HT system will trump most movie theaters (regardless of how contemporary or well designed). It's hard to upstage a finely tuned home theater for sound level and balance. Note: Cinemas rarely adjust sound in consideration of the average listener, much less in accord with each film's specific needs.Also, if a film requires focus readjustment some theater managers tend to ignore image problems knowing full well that unless the problem is severe most patrons will tolerate eye strain rather than object. BTW, those few who do complain can usually be bought off with a general apology for the inconvenience and free admissions to some other current or future show. Not the most satisfactory resolution, IMO.
OTOH, a HT set-up provides maximum personal management for enjoying the simulated film experience. One can invite friends over for mini-movie festivals, establish your own "showing" times and film line-ups, stop a film briefly for "concession" or restroom breaks, run the picture back briefly if a deceptively intricate scene or random dialog was missed, you name it. Finally, HT usually provides the best opportunity for viewing well remastered film prints, transfered from the best elements often with a plethora of extras that replace the short subjects, newsreels and cartoons that were an important part of the movie going experience in the Halcyon days of cinema.Of course, I realize that I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but luring movie lovers to the dark side (brightly lit HT is sacrilege) is part of every HT owners conversion directive. ;0)
AuPh
It's a new day, auph. Check out what blu-ray can do for ya.Linear PCM (LPCM)
Dolby Digital Plus (DD+)
Dolby TrueHD - extension of MLP Lossless, lossless encoding of up to 8 channels
DTS-HD - extension of DTS, offers increased bitrates and up to 8 channels
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Until the format war dies down and more titles are available that peak my interest (classic rock music titles; silent movies; etc.). So far, other than a smattering of classic and contemporary SF films I'm not that impressed. I'm perfectly happy with my upscaling Oppo player (OPDV971H) with DVI; in fact, I'll probably get a second one with HDMI that also does both Hi-Rez audio formats.Surround Sound-wise, new expanded field formats don't impress me all that much; here's where I stand:
Linear PCM (LPCM) - [got it]
Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) - [have Dolby Digital (AC3) 5.1 that sounds fine; how much more can it improve?]
Dolby TrueHD - extension of MLP Lossless, lossless encoding of up to 8 channels - [don't need 8 channels; typically I use either 2 or 5.1, but the concept of a lossless signal is worthy of more investigation]
DTS-HD - extension of DTS, offers increased bitrates and up to 8 channels - [My Oppo can upsample a variety of sound sources and pass 192Khz raw; the DTS surround I currently have is excellent; can it be bettered? Possibly, but there is the law of diminishing return to be considered. IMHO, based upon what I'm hearing, improvement would be marginal at best]
- Here's a highly rated DVD player that will upsample to 1080p (with both SACD & DVD-A capability for music aficionados)... (Open in New Window)
You're confused.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
...angular PMS or what? ;^)From Webopedia:
"PCM is also the usual digital method used for music audio playback of music CDs. While supported by DVDs, DVDs have a greater volume so they use Linear PCM, which has a higher sampling rate — up to 24-bit at a sampling rate of 96 kHz."
That, Dolby AC3 and DTS (5.1 & 6.1) are the only audio formats to which I indicated having ready access in my rig. You can criticize my "poor unfortunate system" for not incorporating the latest and theoretically greatest whiz-bang digital Hi-Rez formats if you like, but I politely suggest that you avoid the condescending "confusion" rhetoric. I do keep current on the technologies and know what's what even if I don't wish to pay first class for a seat on the early adopter express.
AuPh
As Oscar told you a couple days ago, blu-ray features uncompressed PCM audio tracks with 8-10-fold the sampling rate of your DD content. Don't worry, auph. I can't access them either. But I recognize their importance and am planning an upgrade path around it. If you think it's just theoretical, go demo some modern rigs pronto.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
... but that doesn't mean that anyone should be labeled "confused" due to the inconsistency of the information provided. That's what I meant earlier about avoidance of condescending remarks. We're not Outside now; I'll gladly treat your opinions about audio & video with more respect than your political opinions in the other forum because you're obviously better informed here. Fair enough?AuPh
When they did, I didn't accuse them of condescensio. Also, I thought it went without saying that baggage on a different carousel stays on the other carousel, unless you can kindly pick it up and take it home so it doesn't keep going round and round.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
When I accused you of using condescending rhetoric it was over your application of the word confused in what seemed to me to be a very demeaning context. In this part of the country folks almost always use the word "confused" as a euphemism for folks with onset Alzheimer's; otherwise, it's used in a pejorative manner, as in a rude insinuation about personal competence.When folks in this area want to politely indicate that they think someone is relying on incorrect, incomplete or flawed information usually those claiming to be better informed will just suggest that the person conveying questionable data may be mistaken.
...But no harm; no foul.
Let's not turn this dubious mole-hill into a mountain of disagreement. As you apparently had no intention of making a condescending remark, I apologize for taking it as such. Is that better?
AuPh
Title selection is slim at the moment.
FWIW, my HD DVD player is a much better upscaler for DVDs than my Oppo, so even if the format doesn't make it, I've still got a really good DVD player.
Jack
There are significant jumps in audio quality with the higher bit rates. Not quite as dramatic as going from CD to SACD or 24/96 DVD-A, but after you get used to uncompressed PCM audio tracks with 8-10X the sampling rate of your typical DD soundtracks, you don't want to go back.The PQ with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray represent significant improvements over upsampled DVD movies. That was the first thing I confirmed when I auditioned a PS3 player on a 720p display.
if I didn't have the itch to collect movies, I wouldn't have paid the "early adopter penalty"; that moratorium on movie collecting (because DVD is becoming "passe") had to end some time. The release of "Casino Royale" on Blu-Ray helped push me over the edge.
but when I heard a setup using DTS HD MA and uncompressed LPCM, I decided I had to have both the PQ and audio upgrade. Auph needs to hear this sometime (at risk to his wallet).
But even now I am enjoying the benefits.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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