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In Reply to: Re: i didn't realize the kissing concubines would have such an effect. posted by Dalton on April 7, 2007 at 10:51:46:
And have admitted to finding it sexually appealing. Gerry Butler has quite a following amoungst the ladies. Don't let CGI phobia get in your way. It actually serves the movie in this case.
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... hearted comment based on a radio review I heard this week.
That reviewer (she) found the hairless chests hilarious and commented that the over played (comic book) macho-ness seemed a bit over compensating.
I guess you could easily (and I think I may have) said the same about much comic art and in fact much American culture.
Or look at the accentuated physiques of American football players with the huge shoulder pads...
It suddenly comes to mind that that is exactly what The Village People were satirising in their stage appearance, isn't it?
This may be a film forum, but it seems a valid enough point, the closeted maleness of American culture...
I am running for a hard hat now...
Oh, my bad. I got the impression you really saw facism propaganda in this film. Sorry but so many people have said the same things and really meant them. Maybe it is the shameless disregard for playing it safe and being politically correct on our part that has brought out the issues in some of the viewers. This I will tell you. We were surprised by most of it. There were a few times while shooting where we scratched our heads and asked if we were crossing the line. the first was when we had young Leonidas beating another kid to near death two minutes into the movie. Oddly enough no one seems to have had an issue with this so far. the other was, well cut out. A line by the captain about dying with the smell of fine Persian wine on their breath and Persian whores on their cocks. I am not kidding. we shot that. I didn't know the Village people were satirising anything. I thought that was genuine homoeroticism.
... I tell you what... I will go and see the film this week.
If no one on the production saw how the imagery would be taken by.. well, by quite a lot of people, let's say, then I should have taken the job I was offered when I was in LA in 1991!
As for The Village People... well, I couldn't resist dropping that in...
But I think they satire and the reality of the eroticism are BOTH true.
Do you remember when gays suddenly seemed to all grow moustaches? Another adoption of an overly macho look.
Back in Britain, after skinheads took to "gay-bashing", gay men took to shaved heads, check shirts and Doc Martens boots.
As someone who has worked in promotion in the music business, been a designer and has written, I am maybe hyper sensitive to this kind of stuff, but 300 has gotten a lot more of this criticism than Sin City did and that had the same inflated machismo in many ways.
In my opinion, many military cultures (and given 6 months and a good advance I could write a book comparing Sparta with the USA) have this closet-gay-macho thing going on.
Also back then being gay wasn't much of an issue. Ancient Greeks even went for the old man young boy thing... but it's SInday (that was a genuine typo!!... really) morning and I still haven't eaten... BREAKFAST, I mean!
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